Are we at war with Islam?

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[Patriot007]

A few years back TS had posted regarding the murder of Dutch film maker van Gogh by Islamic extremists. A Dutch lawmaker, Geert Wilders, who is already under the protection of the government looks to continue van Gogh's mission of exposing the intolerance of Islam with release of a new short film next month.

Here's the article from Fox:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313741,00.html

[Team Sergeant]

More beautiful teachings from islam and the islamic way of life;


$10,000 Reward Offered for Father Suspected of Killing Teen Girls
Friday, January 04, 2008

Foxnews.com

Authorities announced a $10,000 reward Friday for information leading to the arrest and indictment of a father accused of shooting his teen daughters and leaving them to die in a taxi.

An ongoing manhunt is under way for Yaser Abdel Said, 50, of Lewisville, Texas, wanted for shooting Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, in his taxi Tuesday night. Police say they don't have a motive for the shootings, but believe a domestic issue may have led to the deaths.

A public viewing for Sarah and Amina Said was planned for 6 to 9 p.m. CST Friday in Dallas. Their funeral will be at 11 a.m. CST Saturday, also in Dallas.

Friends and Lewisville High School classmates of the Said girls posted photos and comments in a tribute to the sisters set up on the social networking site Facebook.com called "Rest in Peace, Sarah & Amina."

The page's creator, friend Jenny Lee, encouraged people to document their memories of Amina and Sarah Said.

"We love you so much, and miss you already," she wrote.

Amina and Sarah Said Information about memorial services and developments in the case are also included on the Facebook page dedicated to the teens.

"How could anyone do this to two beautiful, bright young ladies?" wondered one visitor to the site.

A local Austin imam condemned the murders on the tribute page, and in another note, a girl identifying herself as a former classmate of Sarah's wrote that Yaser Said abruptly moved his family to Lewisville a few years ago because he was unhappy about a boy his older daughter, Amina, was dating.

Loved ones gathered Thursday night for a vigil to remember the sisters. The girls' mother, who has been in hiding since the shootings, attended.

The victims' brother made a statement at the vigil that the deaths have nothing to do with religion.

David Tull, a spokesman for the Irving Police Department, told FOX News that there's not a specific motive but police are aware of domestic issues within the family.

Tull wouldn't comment directly on shootings being tied to reports about the girls wearing Western clothes and disobeying their father's wishes.

Click here to watch a video report by MyFOXdfw.com.

Brigitte Gabriel, author of "Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America," said the shootings point to an "honor killing."

"This crime has honor killing written all over it," Gabriel said. "The father was insulted and ashamed of how his daughters were behaving."

The daughters were bringing shame to Islam and the father took it upon himself to respond, Gabriel said.
"The father probably was seeing that this is going to bring shame on the family and he needed to eliminate that shame," Gabriel said.

One of the teens called 911 on a cell phone about 7:30 p.m. Tuesday and said she was shot, but she couldn't tell police where she was, police said.

Officers were dispatched to the area, which turned out to be about half a mile from the taxi, but didn't find anyone, according to reports. Police found the taxi with the bodies inside an hour later after a witness called and reported a suspicious vehicle in a hotel parking lot, police said.

Yaser Abdel Said is about 6-foot-2, weighing about 180 pounds with black hair and brown eyes. He was last seen wearing a black turtleneck shirt or sweater, a brown coat and tan pants. He is believed to be armed with a handgun, police said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320325,00.html

[Razor]

Parents killing their own children make me yearn for the punishment of "drawing" to make a comeback (hint: see the end of "Braveheart").

[CoLawman]

Originally Posted by Razor

Parents killing their own children make me yearn for the punishment of "drawing" to make a comeback (hint: see the end of "Braveheart").

You mean like this scum sucking gang member who was on parole for stabbing a guy 15 times.........I have investigated alot of gang related homicides but this one is the most horrific and evil act I have ever been witness to.

http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/2...NEWS/112070130

Police arrest known gang member on investigation of child abuse resulting in death

Erica Grundin
December 8, 2007


By the time 13-week-old Johnnyce Hernandez was taken to the hospital, she was already dead.

Her skull was fractured, and she had at least four bruises, bruised eyeballs and rib fractures, some of which were in the healing stages, according to a police report released Friday.

North Colorado Medical Center staff in Greeley called the police on Wednesday afternoon after seeing her injuries.

Police say the injuries were not consistent with accidental injuries.

Greeley police arrested the girl's father, John Louis Hernandez of Greeley, on Thursday on investigation of child abuse resulting in death. He is being held at the Weld County Jail without bond.

A known gang member, Hernandez has a criminal record that includes two arrests for assault, three arrests for theft and two arrests for burglary, according court records. Police say he also was known as John Elworthy.

Hernandez was the last person to see his daughter alive, the police report states. He also was the first person to find her dead, according to the report. Hernandez told police that he does not know how his daughter's injuries occurred.

[Team Sergeant]

islam's code of ethics, the end justifies the means.

Team Sergeant



3 Convicted in Islamic Charity Trial

By MARK JEWELL
Associated Press Writer

BOSTON (AP) -- Three former leaders of an Islamic charity were convicted Friday of duping the U.S. government into awarding their organization tax-exempt status by hiding the group's pro-jihad activities.

Care International Inc., which is now defunct, described its mission as helping war orphans, widows and refugees in Muslim nations. But prosecutors said the organization also distributed a newsletter promoting jihad and supported Muslim militants involved in armed conflicts around the world.

Emadeddin Muntasser, the founder of Care International; Muhammed Mubayyid, the group's former treasurer; and Samir Al-Monla, the president of Care from 1996 to 1998, were charged with tax code violations, making false statements and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

After a two-month trial and more than two weeks of deliberations, a federal jury found them guilty on all counts, except a false-statements count on which Al-Monla was acquitted. The fraud and false-statement charges each carry maximum sentences of five years in prison and fines of $250,000, while the tax charges carry a maximum three years in prison and a $100,000 fine.

U.S. District Judge F. Dennis Saylor IV scheduled sentencing hearings in early April.

"Today's verdict is a milestone in our efforts against those who conceal their support for extremist causes behind the veil of humanitarianism. For years, these defendants used an allegedly charitable organization as a front for the collection of donations that they converted for the purpose of supporting violent jihadists," Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Wainstein in Washington said in a statement.

continued:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...TAM&SECTION=US

[Retired W4]

Great! I hope Judge Saylor gives these guys the maximum allowed by law.

[Razor]

In Massachusetts, does the max sentence mean they have to wait 6 months before running for office?

[Retired W4]

That would be Washington, DC, but only if you are running for Mayor.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Retired W4

That would be Washington, DC, but only if you are running for Mayor.

In Mass they would be able to campaign during their incarceration....

[Team Sergeant]

Brilliant! Does anyone that actually practices the islamic religion possess an IQ over 70?

Team Sergeant


Malaysian Islamic party still wants stonings
Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:25am EST

By Liau Y-Sing

KAMPUNG PULAU MELAKA, Malaysia (Reuters) - Malaysia's Islamist opposition party called on non-Muslims on Thursday to back its election campaign to apply strict sharia law, including amputations and stonings, for the country's Muslims.

Parti Islam se-Malaysia (PAS) is trying to broaden its appeal beyond the predominantly Muslim heartland at the next election, which is expected by political experts to be called by end-March and to be fought partly on the issue of rising street crime.

"The people want the best and there is nothing better than Islam," Nik Aziz Nik Mat, 77, told Reuters after morning prayers at his home in the largely rural northeast state of Kelantan, ruled by PAS since 1990.

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...11217620080117

[Team Sergeant]

If cartoons got a a hundred or so killed then the movie should cause an all out war......... TS






Dutch government ready for fallout over planned anti-Islam film
19 hours ago

THE HAGUE (AFP) — The Dutch government is ready for any possible fallout of a planned film by far-right MP Geert Wilders that attacks Islam as an "inspiration for murder," Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said Friday.

"We are ready to react quickly, it is our role to be prepared for calamities," Balkenende told journalists at his weekly press briefing.

Earlier on Friday Dutch media had reported that the government had compiled a secret document on how best to deal with reactions to the film.

Wilders, the head of the far-right Freedom Party, announced in November that he planned to release a 10-minute film this month that will show that Islam's holy book, the Koran, "is an inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror".

Observers say Wilders might burn or tear up the Koran in the movie. In February last year the MP called on Muslims to "tear out half the pages of the Koran and throw them away".

The Hague fears a repeat of riots when thousands took to the streets in Muslim countries to protest cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in a Danish newspaper in 2005.

The protests left some hundred people dead, Danish embassies were attacked and Danish goods were boycotted.

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http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...0E13_yHoKNRnSQ

[The Reaper]

Does anyone else think European immigration policies might have been a bad idea?

Any parallels here?

TR

[Ret10Echo]

At the risk of being politically incorrect....

This is just me thinking out loud and putting some observations down.

My understanding was that the large influx of immigrants to Europe was initially back in the 70's (?)....primarily from Turkey. It suppose it seemed like the right answer. Booming economy, a need for workers in the low-end jobs and service industry. These folks came in and were willing to do the work.

Assimilation into the general society seemed to be avoided in spite of government programs that emphasized learning the local language, etc. Initially the immigrants populated the larger industrial areas because that was where the work was. As time went on the immigrant population was more commmon in less-urban areas.

The connection to the home country was maintained, either through family ties or the fact that the groups tended to live in communities together. Whether this was intentional or not is probably open for debate. My impression was that the immigrants tend to form their own enclaves for mutual support. This creates a situation where they do not really ever blend into the rest of the population. The host nation population was quite fine with this idea since they figured that if they left the immigrants alone that their would be reciprocity.

As the economy slowed there was some pushback on the part of the native population. Competition for jobs, housing etc became an issue. This is aggravated by the fact that those coming into the country were willing to work for less than what a native-born citizen would. This applied to immigrants coming from outside of Europe or from eastern Europe in more recent history.

Then look at the birth rate amongst the native population and the immigrant population. (other threads discuss this in particular) The immigrant population outpaces the native. The immigrants continue to maintain a close tie to their native culture so the idea that the children will bring the family into the new culture gets dilluted since their exposure outside of their community can be limited.

Multiply these issues with those of the Islamic faith and you get closer. Much more dedicated parents (to their religion and culture). Children are raised within the faith (madras) through their school years so the attitudes and mindset remains much closer to the home country of their parents than it does to the host nation.


A parallell to the situation here in the U.S. is debatable.

Not having specific statistics, but I believe here in the US the Hispanic immigrant population is the major contributor. Social values tend to be closer to the U.S. and the children attend the local schools (even if their is a strong ESL population within the school). I don't believe there is a parallel with the Muslim faith since their faith is the basis for not only their religion, but their social values, education, form of government and rule of law.

IMHO the slippery slope is when the things that should be sending off alarms are suppressed due to the "political correctness" issue. If I say you should integrate into society, learn the language and be a participant through citizenship I am insensitive or a bigot. If I say that our laws supercede your customs, then I am out of line....

I start to mix the words "illegal" and "rights" into the same sentence then there is issue. You have to work on the first part before you are a beneficiary of the latter.

[smp52]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Does anyone else think European immigration policies might have been a bad idea?

Any parallels here?

TR

With the socialized economic structure where 'big brother' takes care of you, it sets new immigrants off on the wrong foot IMHO.

Considering the numbers that have immigrated to the United States in its long history, we've done a very good job of letting the natural course of time assimilate foreign populations into society. It takes a few generations for complete assimilation, but it's done the right way, where people have to work hard to earn their spot and for the most part they're also allowed to do so.

When socialist structures give handouts to new immigrants on one hand, then make rules for earning citizenship very strict, you get situations that affect countries like Germany and France. Effectively you're a second class citizen, but you still get government hand me downs, which gives zero incentive to move and integrate with mainstream society.

Bottom line is one should be free to work and earn a living and if one is a lawful person abiding by the rules and regulation of the state, they should eventually have the ability to earn citizenship. Europeans like to cut the cake and eat it too, but that leaves them without either.

The danger to our immigration system is pushing away those trying to get here legally by inefficient bureaucracy, yet letting others in through the back door without much enforcement. Add in government hand me downs, and we create a similar situation where new people don't have incentive (or are scared) to integrate.