10-05-2015, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Bleed Green
I I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated?
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10-05-2015, 07:37
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It certainly helps when they threaten people and announce their plans. The successful ones do not (unless it is an announcement immediately before acting).
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10-05-2015, 08:15
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It certainly helps when they threaten people and announce their plans. The successful ones do not (unless it is an announcement immediately before acting).
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I disagree, with rare exceptions, I believe that all (most) of these assholes seek help or discuss their intentions with others before committing to act. Problem is no one is listening or understands the significance of the threat. None of these "random" attacks take place in a vacuum of absolute secrecy. At least not in my research of past events.
Someone almost always knows something but fails to act on it.
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10-05-2015, 09:27
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So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.
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Exactly...........
"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.
Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.
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10-05-2015, 09:37
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Better half
Well, my better half had been following this from the beginning through the MSM. I asked her this morning if the shooter was white or black. She replied "White".
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10-05-2015, 10:00
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Originally Posted by Razor
So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.
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Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.
Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
Exactly...........
"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.
Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.
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AKA Joe the Plumber; this guy/VET needs a lawyer and PR person because, he's going to be scrutinized by the left MSM..... 
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10-05-2015, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
Exactly...........
"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.
There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.
Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.
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So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.
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10-05-2015, 10:30
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So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.
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That's exactly why I said:
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this guy/VET needs a lawyer and PR person because, he's going to be scrutinized by the left MSM.....
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10-05-2015, 13:38
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So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.
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And how the f**k did they know he had a gun?
"Hey I have a gun and I could go and help? No, OK, I'll just sit here and wait."
I would have said nothing and moved as quickly as possible to neutralize the threat. The ass chewing from the limp-wristed, white-knuckle, pillow biting left-wing liberals for packing heat on a campus would be most welcome afterwards.
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10-05-2015, 17:27
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Well, my better half had been following this from the beginning through the MSM. I asked her this morning if the shooter was white or black. She replied "White".
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So I guess President Obama is white as well, since he has one black parent and one white parent, just like the shooter. Who knew?
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10-05-2015, 21:39
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Was there this morning. Was nice.
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I am officially jealous as i had to work yesterday and would have rather been ABQ way watching a mass ascension. With any luck the insurance adjuster will be here tomorrow so we might sneak up there for a day at least. Enjoy the show amigo and hope you guys don't get any of our forecasted rain the next few days.
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10-06-2015, 14:05
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Obama is slated to visit Roseburg residents Friday, despite the fact that he's not welcome according to one of Roseburg's local newspaper publishers David Jacques. Will be interesting to see what happens.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...per-publisher/
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10-06-2015, 14:33
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What if Jarrett threw a prompter party & no one showed up?
He should stay home & have another beer with his Cambridge prof buddy.
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10-06-2015, 14:48
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Originally Posted by Bleed Green
I am officially jealous as i had to work yesterday and would have rather been ABQ way watching a mass ascension. With any luck the insurance adjuster will be here tomorrow so we might sneak up there for a day at least. Enjoy the show amigo and hope you guys don't get any of our forecasted rain the next few days.
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Since you seem more interested in posting about your desires to see mass erections and not clarifying your statement, I will assume you do question the intent of most holders of a CCW permit (post #48), and there is no misinterpreting your statement. Interesting that as a federal LEO you choose to malign the millions of American citizens that have chosen to meet the state-required regulatory requirements in order to be better prepared, if necessary, to exercise their God-given right to self-defense and defense of third persons.
Did you question the intent of Joseph Robert Wilcox?
I suppose your concern is understandable, considering that most holders of a CCW permit aren't as well-trained and professional as most law enforcement officers and special agents. Probably not even close to being as well trained and professional as DEA special agent Lee Paige.
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10-06-2015, 16:10
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