Green Beret Kicked Off Campus For Having Service Dog

[Lan]

Originally Posted by WCH

1. The picture in the article was taken at the time of the incident.

With respect WCH, did he change clothes?

Originally Posted by WCH

2. A do you really believe that most people know what SF insignia are? I don't. Besides, such items are readily available to anyone who has the money to buy them.

I think those in law enforcement, including those who do campus security, have a higher propensity to. A lot of the guys at the local PD are 'high speed commandos'. You think they wouldn't want to say they were Special Forces soldiers? That a campus security officer, who's likely a campus security officer because he couldn't hack it as a cop, wouldn't envy a Special Forces soldier and single one out given the chance?

Originally Posted by WCH

My response to your statements in red.... You gotta be shitting me!

Why is his appearance not subject to consideration in this incident? Most likely he is just campus security. Why aren't hired security LEO's? Some are retired LEO's, Miltary, or regular Joe's, but a lot of them do it because they couldn't get into the local PD. The way he treated Col. Smith, his profession, his weight, and his choice of a haircut gives me the impression that he's got a chip on his shoulder.

Originally Posted by Lan

With respect WCH, did he change clothes?

Look at the video of the incident, and compare it to the pic you posted. It's obvious that he was not dressed the same.




I think those in law enforcement, including those who do campus security, have a higher propensity to. A lot of the guys at the local PD are 'high speed commandos'. You think they wouldn't want to say they were Special Forces soldiers? That a campus security officer, who's likely a campus security officer because he couldn't hack it as a cop, wouldn't envy a Special Forces soldier and single one out given the chance?

IMO, you are talking out of you ass!

Why is his appearance not subject to consideration in this incident? Most likely he is just campus security. Why aren't hired security LEO's? Some are retired LEO's, Miltary, or regular Joe's, but a lot of them do it because they couldn't get into the local PD. The way he treated Col. Smith, his profession, his weight, and his choice of a haircut gives me the impression that he's got a chip on his shoulder.

The more I read what you post, the more I believe you are an idiot! You also seem to be a wannabe!

WCH
OUT

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Part of the problem is the animal does not have to be specially trained. If a MD says this animal or pack of dogs keeps helps you with your PTSD etc then it is now your service dog. Again I can see both sides of the issue, but it opens things up to a lot of abuse.

Where do you get this information from?

Service Dogs - ADA

http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

[spherojon]

Originally Posted by Lan

That a campus security officer, who's likely a campus security officer because he couldn't hack it as a cop, wouldn't envy a Special Forces soldier and single one out given the chance?

I don't know how it works in other states, but in CA, the Campus Police are technically, State Troopers, sworn in and a "security officer" or CSO is a community service officer and a STUDENT INTERN who is enrolled and in good standing student (2.5 and above) at that specific college.

Originally Posted by spherojon

I don't know how it works in other states, but in CA, the Campus Police are technically, State Troopers, sworn in and a "security officer" or CSO is a community service officer and a STUDENT INTERN who is enrolled and in good standing student (2.5 and above) at that specific college.

ST Petersburg College (where the incident took place) DOES NOT HAVE a Campus Police Department.

In Florida, University Police Departments are state accredited (some are nationally accredited) law enforcement agencies, who's officers are sworn law enforcement officers

Again SPC does not have it's own police department. The individuals involve in the incident are Campus Security - they are not LEOS.

[MtnGoat]

This IMO is WAY to general.

calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties.

This is just plain BS!! No wonder people take advantage of this service and system. Underlining reason is likely fear of lawsuits if the Government didn't.

Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.

I think a business' should be able to ask, especially if the dog is not wearing a vest. Yet I know many grocery store managers that tell me that their headquarters, regional supervisors, higher-ups direct that they cannot ask anyone that comes in their store with a dog. Vest or no vest. Why.. Yeap lawsuits.

I feel that if a person had an illness that needed a service animal then they would produce the ID. Yet again you have people that like to videotape themselves open carrying, confronting cops about carrying a pistol or rifle to driving down a point of Second Amendment rights. Frinkin BS way of living we have become.

[Lan]

Delete.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

I feel that if a person had an illness that needed a service animal then they would produce the ID.

Exactly. When I wanted a handicapped parking permit for my son, his doctor wrote the order for it. I was then issued a permit and was required to display it in the window of my car when I parked in a handicap zone.

If a person needs a service animal, their doctor should write the order for it, they should be issued a permit (dog tag) and the dog would be required to display it when in service.

I don't see any difference between the two, nor any issue of non-compliance with HIPAA. Only the person and their doctor know the reason for the license.

I'm generally against more regulations, but more often than not, a few idiots make it necessary for more laws.

S.

[AngelsSix]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

I understand that I know that many business tell their employees don't ask just let them come in because of lawsuits being brought onto that business.

I was in the South Post commissary last week and had some woman bring in a small Chihuahua or Pikachu looking dog. It wasn't in her purse, but was on a leash. She just walked in and I said to her. Umm Ma'ma that isn't a service animal. She answered and so with a big smile. I told her she couldn't bring it in. She gave a look as watch me and put it in the cart basket area were a child sit. I proceeded to tell her that you're taking away from the actual service dogs that are authorized to come and what you're doing is improper, in moral and wrong. She turned and walked away. I walk passed her saying your a piece a shit service members wife to take of away from people your ungrateful and your actions. While shopping, I asked one of the managers about it. He said headquarters is instructed them not to ask just let them come in even though you can look and see the dog is not a service animal. This is the same thing that is local businesses and restaurants here in town.

Something needs to be done, yet as PRB stated, it nothing more or different than getting your handicap little tag from any doctor or buying what your state needs or service dog vest off the Internet just because you have $200, $300 or probably $100.

Health violation. Health department can shut them down in a heartbeat. Learn how to use agencies to fight each other. If there is food, there is not supposed to be animals. I would have simply called the MP's to escort her out. No argument there!

[AngelsSix]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I agree.

There is a lot of abuse with people bringing their non-service trained pets with them and using the ADA as cover.

A certificate of training should be issued and ID carried when the animal is present.

TR

I agree. I had an AD member bring a dog in that was wearing a pink vest that said "service dog-do not pet" and the damn thing was wearing a f-ing Halti lead. A well behaved dog does not require something like that, period. This young lady was playing games with the dog to see how much she could get away with. People really have learned how to work the system and it's a damn shame that the rest of us don't stand up and demand OUR rights are important too.