Biden claims 'Executive Order' may be used...

[Streck-Fu]

...there is no organization, no leadership,....

Do you assume that leaders will not rise and be established when needed?

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by SGT.Gardner

. . .now if the guys in the Service will help to stand up against this BS then i would be more than happy to help, i don't see it, what i see is service men and woman going along with whatever because its a paycheck and they can feed their family's with it.

Because of the paycheck?
What about that pesky little Oath thingie? Now Retirees maybe . . .

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by SGT.Gardner

In reality there would be no way for a revolution to have a chance in this country, first off all the people saying this means war if you do this will cower because there is no organization, no leadership, they have children and since i have been out of the army i have noticed to many people too willing to suck on Uncle Peats teat to give a dam, as for me well i will fight but i fight for my family, i will be damned if i let anyone harm my daughters. now if the guys in the Service will help to stand up against this BS then i would be more than happy to help, i don't see it, what i see is service men and woman going along with whatever because its a paycheck and they can feed their family's with it.

Okay, I can resist no longer. What's the deal? Are you e.e.cummings reincarnated? Why no capital 'i's?

This question strikes me, too. IF "this" alll comes to pass, are your daugthers more likely to be 'hurt' if you comply or if you resist?

Secondly, I once drew a paycheck from Uncle Sugar in his army...and there is NO way I'd have gone against my oath to protect the Constitution. Hell, I stood at attention in front of the 1SG of I Company, USAIMA (formerly SFTG) for refusing to contribute to the United Way. I was sure as hell not going to subvert the Constitution. I think most of my Brothers in Arms today will be the same. (If not most, at least enough to make things verrrrry interesting!)

[SGT.Gardner]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Do you assume that leaders will not rise and be established when needed?

Its not that I don't think that Leaders will arise when they are needed so much as Organization, everything i am seeing from the Civilian side is people "asking what do we do know?" This is just my opinion, the age group of most people who are talking about this issue starts around 50, and after my time in the service I found a lot of the younger guys just did not care one way or another.

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Because of the paycheck?
What about that pesky little Oath thingie? Now Retirees maybe . . .

No not because of the paycheck, I think it falls squarely on their need to feed their family, and that will play in their decision making. As far as the Oath we all took well hell i am an Oath keeper and i will stand behind the Oath I took. as many here will probably do the same. I have never been a fan of joining any of the Militias here in Washington state, most of the guys i have talked to have never served, don't have the first clue as to what a fire team is, and refuse any and all tactical advice to better their skills. I find most of them just want to play soldier.

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Okay, I can resist no longer. What's the deal? Are you e.e.cummings reincarnated? Why no capital 'i's?


This question strikes me, too. IF "this" all comes to pass, are your daughters more likely to be 'hurt' if you comply or if you resist?

Secondly, I once drew a paycheck from Uncle Sugar in his army...and there is NO way I'd have gone against my oath to protect the Constitution. Hell, I stood at attention in front of the 1SG of I Company, USAIMA (formerly SFTG) for refusing to contribute to the United Way. I was sure as hell not going to subvert the Constitution. I think most of my Brothers in Arms today will be the same. (If not most, at least enough to make things verrrrry interesting!)

Sorry I got in the habit of letting Word auto correct it when I was writing my term papers just so i could keep writing and I guess I never really noticed.

Oh I plan to resist, but to answer your question It wont matter if you resist or not it will be just as bad for our children no matter what the choice you make is.

And I know I said that I would be fighting for my family, but what I did not say was that My family includes those that we have served with, after all don't we all look on each other as brothers? I did and still do cant help it its the way I am wired. My grandfather was a Marine my father was a Marine 90% of all males in my family took an Oath for this country and its people even if most of them are Sheeple.

I was a Sgt lucky enough to get a taste of what you guys do, I will never claim to be one of you just because i filled a spot on a team, and failed my physical because i was blown up in Iraq, but unlike most solders who wish to be SF, or Seals or whatever i got close not once but twice and I would not trade that for anything.

I cannot say what most troops will do, but looking at some of the ones I served with I found most of them to be good and honorable soldiers, and the ones that were arrogant, self serving well they were what we all know them to be Blue Falcons, and it is that later group that really bothers me because they are still my brothers, just more or less lost.

not to mention the younger guys cant even tell you what a lawful order is.
my buddy Mike is one of those guys hell we went to the same school growing up. 3 days ago i brought this conversation up to him and he is serving. he told me that it did not matter because he has to follow orders.

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by JimP

Well, like I've said before: come and get them....I'll leave the light on for you.

I am a peaceful pacifist and I'm all for turning your arsenal to whoever the collecting agency is....... one bullet at a time

Guns, what guns? I only do bb's. Plentiful, cheap, non-lethal ammo

[afchic]

Originally Posted by SGT.Gardner

In reality there would be no way for a revolution to have a chance in this country, first off all the people saying this means war if you do this will cower because there is no organization, no leadership, they have children and since i have been out of the army i have noticed to many people too willing to suck on Uncle Peats teat to give a dam, as for me well i will fight but i fight for my family, i will be damned if i let anyone harm my daughters. now if the guys in the Service will help to stand up against this BS then i would be more than happy to help, i don't see it, what i see is service men and woman going along with whatever because its a paycheck and they can feed their family's with it.
got a little emotional in this post.

You may want to rethink that little gem. There are MANY of us that understand the difference between supporting and defending our CONSTITUTION, and supporting our so called "leaders".

I think you will find that many more would rise to support the CONSTITUTION. I for one don't give a rat's ass about my paycheck if it is the difference between this country rising or falling.

[SGT.Gardner]

Originally Posted by afchic

You may want to rethink that little gem. There are MANY of us that understand the difference between supporting and defending our CONSTITUTION, and supporting our so called "leaders".

I think you will find that many more would rise to support the CONSTITUTION. I for one don't give a rat's ass about my paycheck if it is the difference between this country rising or falling.

I hope your right, part of that what makes me believe that many service members would follow orders comes from conversations I had overheard, as well as the reactions I have seen from the younger troops, as well as some of the NCO'S. I remember having this conversation with one of my Lieutenants And he basically told me that he would do what he could to bogart whatever equipment and troops he could, so if that is the consensus of most service members then i have hope.

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Because of the paycheck?
What about that pesky little Oath thingie? Now Retirees maybe . . .

Last time I took the Oath it said to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies, foriegn and domestic. Seems pretty clear to me. I bet it does to most of the military as well. They haven't been made to swear loyalty to Adolph, I mean Obama yet.

[Dusty]

They'll get a mag restriction, increased background scrutiny, and maybe some kind of ammo reg out of this because of a soft GOP, and they know it.

It's incremental; an erosion of rights. They're not stupid enough to call the hand this early.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

They'll get a mag restriction, increased background scrutiny, and maybe some kind of ammo reg out of this because of a soft GOP, and they know it.

It's incremental; an erosion of rights. They're not stupid enough to call the hand this early.

They may get a ban on mags, but they will play hell doing anything about the millions & millions of 20 plus rounders that are already in private hands.

McCarthy is proposing this on ammo:

It requires anyone selling ammunition to be a licensed dealer.
It requires ammunition buyers who are not licensed dealers to present photo identification at the time of purchase, effectively banning the online or mail order purchase of ammo by regular civilians.
It requires licensed ammunition dealers to maintain records of the sale of ammunition.
It requires licensed ammunition dealers to report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within any five consecutive business days.

As for presenting a ID to purchase, locally retailers check ID's for proof of age. Online the few times I purchased I had to fax or email them a copy of a ID before they would ship.

[MR2]

Checking ID is one thing, keeping records is defacto registration.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by MR2

Checking ID is one thing, keeping records is defacto registration.

Good point.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Dusty

They'll get a mag restriction, increased background scrutiny, and maybe some kind of ammo reg out of this because of a soft GOP, and they know it.

It's incremental; an erosion of rights. They're not stupid enough to call the hand this early.

My prediction? Get ready for guns, ammo and related items to be taxed like they're tobacco.
I saw a carton of smokes going for about $50. i remember as a kid when my parents smoked a carton was about $3

[Constant]

Originally Posted by SGT.Gardner

I hope your right, part of that what makes me believe that many service members would follow orders comes from conversations I had overheard, as well as the reactions I have seen from the younger troops, as well as some of the NCO'S. I remember having this conversation with one of my Lieutenants And he basically told me that he would do what he could to bogart whatever equipment and troops he could, so if that is the consensus of most service members then i have hope.

Some of us won't talk about what we are preparing for. Example; my family knows what I will do and my wife/children are getting ready. They are prepared to sacrifice in case something happens to me. Some of us have already sold our weapons for those that have asked. Reality is different. Have hope. As has already been stated, there are about 15-20 years left before all comes to a head......if we're lucky. Take care, stay safe.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

My prediction? Get ready for guns, ammo and related items to be taxed like they're tobacco.
I saw a carton of smokes going for about $50. i remember as a kid when my parents smoked a carton was about $3

Sounds about right.