05-28-2011, 17:33
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Would you be happy enough to send her a check if she was within 7 points of beating your ass when every college student, minority, metrosexual and politically-challenged female in the Country was having an Obamagasm over the hopey-changey bullshit?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...l_results.html
Have you seen his approval polls lately?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._index_history
It indexed from a positive 28 to a negative 12. That's a 40-point drop.
It's too early to count anybody out, right now.
Like I say-I don't give a rat's ass who wins, as long as it's not a Democrat.
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You and I both know that the disgusting attacks against Sarah Palin are MSM driven, because they FEAR her.
You can't accuse the Republican Party of bigotry if the candidate is a woman.
Do I think that she's the best candidate to lead our country? Really, no. Is she better than the present occupant of the Whitehouse? What number is bigger than a Brazilian?
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05-28-2011, 18:32
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Sir, none of us know the details, he may well have been badgered as you suggest etc. At the end of the day as the CinC ultimately he made the decision, our troops performed admirably and justice was done, doesn't he bear the ultimate responsibility for the success or failure of command? We blast Clinton (deservedly) for failing to get UBL when the opportunity presented itself prior to 9/11, how can we then claim objectivity if we don't acknowledge success under Zero?
Sir, I agree 99% of his decisions have been crap, this one succeeded, he could have chosen less risky options that failed. I'm saying he made a gutsy call, not that he is gutsy.
Sir, Pakistan is not Libya, neither am I suggesting they are a threat to US sovereignty, given our current needs, their location and means they could easily become a much greater problem, why not let them save face?
As the CinC, isn't the POTUS ultimately responsible for military operations ordered on his watch? Has a sitting US President ever personally led our troops into battle, is this his job?
Finally Dusty, is it as simple as Republican = good, Democrat = bad, my experience is absolutes are rare, and asshats don't discriminate, there are high character Democrats, and corrupt Republicans out there. If I disagree with you, and explain my views, specifically 99% of Obama's actions are crap, but believe he should get credit for one good call, how do you infer (incorrectly btw) that I am a Democrat or voted for Zero? I am just not as far to the right as you.
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05-28-2011, 18:32
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What number is bigger than a Brazilian?
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Uh, Samoan? 
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05-28-2011, 19:06
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Originally Posted by akv
As the CinC, isn't the POTUS ultimately responsible for military operations ordered on his watch? Has a sitting US President ever personally led our troops into battle, is this his job?
Finally Dusty, is it as simple as Republican = good, Democrat = bad, my experience is absolutes are rare, and asshats don't discriminate, there are high character Democrats, and corrupt Republicans out there. If I disagree with you, and explain my views, specifically 99% of Obama's actions are crap, but believe he should get credit for one good call, how do you infer (incorrectly btw) that I am a Democrat or voted for Zero? I am just not as far to the right as you.
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As the CinC, isn't the POTUS ultimately responsible for military operations ordered on his watch? Has a sitting US President ever personally led our troops into battle, is this his job? No, it's not. So, again-why call him literally not doing anything "ballsy"?
Finally Dusty, is it as simple as Republican = good, Democrat = bad, my experience is absolutes are rare, and asshats don't discriminate, there are high character Democrats, and corrupt Republicans out there. If I disagree with you, and explain my views, specifically 99% of Obama's actions are crap, but believe he should get credit for one good call, how do you infer (incorrectly btw) that I am a Democrat or voted for Zero? I am just not as far to the right as you
lol It's not hard for me to accept the fact that you're not as far to the right as I am. To me, it's more like Conservatives are good, Progressives are bad. I myself have seen plenty of bad Repubs and good Demo...wait, no, I havent seen many good Democrats, to tell the truth.
How you vote is up to you. Your repeating the lib talking point "gutsy move"
in two different posts led me to ascertain your Demwittedness.
I'm glad I was mistaken.
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05-28-2011, 19:29
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Uh, Samoan?
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Negatron, Batman.
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05-28-2011, 20:24
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Sir, I agree 99% of his decisions have been crap, this one succeeded, he could have chosen less risky options that failed. I'm saying he made a gutsy call, not that he is gutsy.
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Actually, you said: "he did show some guts with the UBL raid". I do understand though that you meant the call and not the man. Fair enough....but, his fan base would have the world believe otherwise.
IMHO, it was a calculated political risk more than a gutsy call....
I simply won't bestow the "gutsy" description as lightly as those in the media or the political persuasion do, especially when his motives were more from a political motive than militarily. As a military HVT, was he really worth men’s lives put at risk when we could have used other options? I'm not so sure. OBL was not running the war from his bedroom/war room; he was spanking the monkey and pacing his courtyard. Obama did need proof though and that was his justification. Does that make it worth mens lives?
I'm glad he is dead and Obla-bla-blama does deserve credit for this but, if Bush had approved this opn and conducted himself as Obama has, and one or more of those SEALs was hurt or killed, what would the narrative been like in our press, given our other options?
I'm also quite put off at how much intel from this target is "leaked" and perhaps even created in order to rationalize and sensationalize this opn and OBLs military worth. As far as I'm concerned, Obama's only milking it for more political worth for as long as he can. It's too much to do about a man who it seems had little to no effect on operations in AQI or Taliban operations other than as the provider of a targeting dream list........jd
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05-28-2011, 20:29
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What mistake has BHO accepted personal responsibility for so far?
Panetta was the fall guy for this op if it went bad. Obama was hands off and had to be coerced into making the call.
I would fire a Junior 18B for being that "ballsy".
TR
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05-30-2011, 11:16
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When was the last time any presidential candidate rode with Rolling Thunder?
http://www.wral.com/news/national_wo...story/9658924/
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05-30-2011, 13:39
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Rolling Thunder 2003. RIP, Rick. Van, Grit and I won't forget ya.
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05-30-2011, 14:55
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Right on,she's certainly got a set of cojones that's for sure......  
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05-30-2011, 15:16
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Right on,she's certainly got a set of cojones that's for sure......
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Amigo, I've got cojones.
Those are called tetas.
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05-30-2011, 15:21
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As the CinC, isn't the POTUS ultimately responsible for military operations ordered on his watch? Has a sitting US President ever personally led our troops into battle, is this his job?
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Didn't "Little Jimmy" Madison ride off to rally the troops defending DC as the Brits approached to take and burn it... as his wife saved stuff from the White House?
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06-24-2011, 20:39
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Uh, Samoan?
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It's a joke, dude. A million, a billion, and a Brazillion.
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06-24-2011, 21:07
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It's a joke, dude. A million, a billion, and a Brazillion.
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So was mine.
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06-25-2011, 03:52
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Rolling Thunder 2003. RIP, Rick. Van, Grit and I won't forget ya.
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Darn Richard....GREAT to see that pic..Rick was my TM CWO in 3/5 for a bit before he went to work for, I believe it was Felton Moore.
Awsome guy...RIP Rick.
It saddened me very much to hear of his passing, MC accident wasn't it???
Damn shame..
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