Lara Logan sexually assaulted...

[uplink5]

CBS complicit in news coverup


Dateline — Egypt:

“[60 Minutes] correspondent Lara Logan was repeatedly sexually assaulted by thugs yelling, ‘Jew! Jew!’ as she covered the chaotic fall of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Cairo’s main square Friday.”

Powerful reporting on an important story. Two problems: It didn’t run until yesterday, and CBS didn’t run it. The quote is from the New York Post. And it was The Wall Street Journal that reported “the separation and assault lasted roughly 20 to 30 minutes.”

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Having 200 “good guys” gang assault a female reporter while screaming “Jew! Jew!” doesn’t fit the narrative. Is that why CBS sat on the story?

oy vey...

and the hits keep coming....

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Wow! The last time I heard that phrase, it was followed by a few licks with a hairbrush, administered by my mom!

Now that's funny............ We needed it from the way this thread is going.........

Big Teddy

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

"Do this, don't do that...wear this, don't wear that" Protection and exploitation sound quite a lot alike sometimes -- and a gilded cage is still a cage.

A side point, but not an unimportant one, is that if women have to do and say and dress a certain way in order to be safe --it isn't very complimentary towards men.

And quite frankly with the amount of domestic violence in this country alone, if you want a woman to truly be safe forget about Egypt, tell her not to go home.

Someone either wants protection from another or they do not, be it a protective detail or a spouse.

If you want protection from someone else, but aren't willing to take their advice as to your own actions, then it's the same thing as saying "let's you and him have a fight" to your protector(s).
Maybe the protectors are trying to communicate the limits of their capabilities when offering advice.

Choices have consequences, and those consequences aren't always just or fair.
Doesn't mean that the consequences can't be predicted.

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Choices have consequences, and those consequences aren't always just or fair.
Doesn't mean that the consequences can't be predicted.

Very succinctly stated.

[Defend]

Originally Posted by uplink5

Thank GOD that most in OUR society dont think like this. Is this your position?

Please tell me I misread your question. Are you asking if I would order the woman be arrested and jailed for life? If so, the answer is an emphatic "Hell No". Notice that was a quote from a lecture, one which I vehemently disagree with.

And the day before, Logan had told Esquire.com that Egyptian soldiers hassling her and her crew had accused them of "being Israeli spies."

It's not fun being accused of being a Jewish spy in the Arab world. I suspect I'm not the only one on the forum who can attest to that first hand.

A side point, but not an unimportant one, is that if women have to do and say and dress a certain way in order to be safe --it isn't very complimentary towards men.

I don't appreciate you make a blatant statement about males equating the gender with gang-rapists. I grew up knowing there were good guys and bad guys, and being able to differentiate between the two.

Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky

Hairbrush? You lucked out... My mom used a wooden spoon.

My mom used a wooden spoon, and dad used a picket off of the fence to encourage me to be a good guy. I'm pretty sure it worked. Ask any of the girls that I've stood up for without them asking - last I checked there was a unanimous decision on that one.

If it is ever necessary, I will forcibly protect the women in my life that I care about, relatives or not. Like I said, no western female friend of mine would have been in that crowd that night. If a female wants to take offense to that, then that's their problem. I also won't let my male friends drive/ride drunk. Get over it.

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by AngelsSix

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...vKzu3a1xlv6ECP

I don't know how many of you know or remember this. I have absolutely no respect for her, nor will she get my sympathy. She is neither intelligent nor professional in my book.

WTF do's this have to do with anything we are discussing.

[Richard]

I listened to this on NPR while driving home from the library today and found it interesting and of relevance to this discussion.

This is also an interesting web-site which indicates both the extent of the issue and that people are working to change it:

http://harassmap.org/

Richard

Women Hope Harassment Will End In New Egypt
Lourdes Garcia-Navarro, NPR, 17 Feb 2011

The violent sexual assault on CBS correspondent of Lara Logan in Cairo last week has highlighted a huge problem in Egypt.

According to one recent report by a women's rights group, some 80 percent of Egyptian women and 90 percent of foreign women visiting the country have been sexually harassed. And the former government did little to stem the problem.

But Egyptian women hope the revolution will change all that.

If you type in "harassment Egypt" on YouTube, dozens of videos showing women being mauled will pop up. In one particular, incident a mob of men rips the clothes off of a woman. It's horrific and terrifying. In another nasty incident in 2006 during the Muslim feast of Eid, gangs of men rampaged through downtown Cairo, assaulting any woman who came near them, whether veiled or not.

While mob violence like this is not the norm, sexual harassment in Cairo is an everyday occurrence — and most women have their own personal stories to tell.

Hania Shuleimy was walking home one night after teaching a late class. She says "someone just grabbed me....he grabbed my breasts and I fought my way out and I swore madly and screamed at him and he ran away. But no one did anything....I cried and cried and cried all the way home."

Shuleimy is a professor of gender studies at the American University in Cairo. She says harassment is now endemic in Cairo.

"I also find that many veiled women get harassed and many little girls get harassed and people who are not particularly hot get harassed. I think it has more to do with denigrating femininity in whatever guise," she says.

Mohammed Saffi is the spokesman for harassmap.org, which is an initiative that was kicked off in Egypt in 2010. The idea behind the project, says Saffi, is to allow women to report where and how they've been harassed so that other women can avoid those areas. The website has a map with red circles around the neighborhoods where women are most at risk.

"We've defined them into different sort of levels of harassment, everything from catcalling to actual physical abuse," he says.

Saffi says harassment of women is a huge problem in Egypt. And the reason is twofold.

"The Arab world is a male dominated society," he says."And you can imagine if you mix a male dominated society with a oppressive way of life for the past 30 years, that's not gonna garner good results in the field of women's rights.

Activists say attacks on women have been encouraged by the culture of impunity that has existed for many years here. The regime of former President Hosni Mubarak did little to punish perpetrators — and the victims, because of the stigma, often stayed silent.

Women are hoping that will now change. A unique aspect of the revolution was that women participated in huge numbers. They slept in Tahrir Square and marched alongside their male counterparts. They say harassment was rare during that period.

"The appearance of women, unvieled women, veiled women, all together — Christians, Muslims, everyone I think it gave a sense of this is a popular movement and these are the ordinary citizens," says Daadi Khaleefa, a human rights activist. It was extremely inspiring not only for women, but empowering for the whole society.

Khaleefa says Egyptian women are trying to preserve that sense of respect that briefly flowered during the recent weeks.

"I think this whole sense of awakening will spread in all fields and, hopefully, in gender rights as well."

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/17/133845...d-in-new-egypt

[mojaveman]

Originally Posted by Richard

I listened to this on NPR while driving home from the library today and found it interesting and of relevance to this discussion.

This is an interesting web-site:

http://harassmap.org/

Richard

Women Hope Harassment Will End In New Egypt
Lourdes Garcia-Navarro, NPR, 17 Feb 2011

The violent sexual assault on CBS correspondent of Lara Logan in Cairo last week has highlighted a huge problem in Egypt.

According to one recent report by a women's rights group, some 80 percent of Egyptian women and 90 percent of foreign women visiting the country have been sexually harassed. And the former government did little to stem the problem.

But Egyptian women hope the revolution will change all that.

If you type in "harassment Egypt" on YouTube, dozens of videos showing women being mauled will pop up. In one particular, incident a mob of men rips the clothes off of a woman. It's horrific and terrifying. In another nasty incident in 2006 during the Muslim feast of Eid, gangs of men rampaged through downtown Cairo, assaulting any woman who came near them, whether veiled or not.

While mob violence like this is not the norm, sexual harassment in Cairo is an everyday occurrence — and most women have their own personal stories to tell.

Hania Shuleimy was walking home one night after teaching a late class. She says "someone just grabbed me....he grabbed my breasts and I fought my way out and I swore madly and screamed at him and he ran away. But no one did anything....I cried and cried and cried all the way home."

Shuleimy is a professor of gender studies at the American University in Cairo. She says harassment is now endemic in Cairo.

"I also find that many veiled women get harassed and many little girls get harassed and people who are not particularly hot get harassed. I think it has more to do with denigrating femininity in whatever guise," she says.

Mohammed Saffi is the spokesman for harassmap.org, which is an initiative that was kicked off in Egypt in 2010. The idea behind the project, says Saffi, is to allow women to report where and how they've been harassed so that other women can avoid those areas. The website has a map with red circles around the neighborhoods where women are most at risk.

"We've defined them into different sort of levels of harassment, everything from catcalling to actual physical abuse," he says.

Saffi says harassment of women is a huge problem in Egypt. And the reason is twofold.

"The Arab world is a male dominated society," he says."And you can imagine if you mix a male dominated society with a oppressive way of life for the past 30 years, that's not gonna garner good results in the field of women's rights.

Activists say attacks on women have been encouraged by the culture of impunity that has existed for many years here. The regime of former President Hosni Mubarak did little to punish perpetrators — and the victims, because of the stigma, often stayed silent.

Women are hoping that will now change. A unique aspect of the revolution was that women participated in huge numbers. They slept in Tahrir Square and marched alongside their male counterparts. They say harassment was rare during that period.

"The appearance of women, unvieled women, veiled women, all together — Christians, Muslims, everyone I think it gave a sense of this is a popular movement and these are the ordinary citizens," says Daadi Khaleefa, a human rights activist. It was extremely inspiring not only for women, but empowering for the whole society.

Khaleefa says Egyptian women are trying to preserve that sense of respect that briefly flowered during the recent weeks.

"I think this whole sense of awakening will spread in all fields and, hopefully, in gender rights as well."

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/17/133845...d-in-new-egypt

Very true.

While on Operation Bright Star during the summer of '85 we stayed in hotels in both Alexandria and Cairo. In both locations female service members complained of being leered at and groped by male staff members of the hotels. Some of us even had to stand guard outside of the womens restrooms while the females used them.

[T-Rock]

While mob violence like this is not the norm, sexual harassment in Cairo is an everyday occurrence — and most women have their own personal stories to tell.

Not surprising in a country where over 80 percent of the women suffer female circumcision, and where the vast majority want Islamic Sharia - Muhammad himself indulged in such activities……(Surat Al-Ahzab 33:50)

I’m curious how Norwegian rape statistics compare to those of Egypt…
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Sucks doesn't it?

So does the implication that women are responsible for staying out of trouble by dressing and acting in certain ways, or not going certain places--instead of laying the fault for bad behavior on the perpetrators of said behavior.

In General, Woman mean one thing to Men. Tits and Ass. Sorry but that is the truth. I have never met a Woman who I didn't look at her Boobs first.

[Defend]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Sucks doesn't it?

So does the implication that women are responsible for staying out of trouble by dressing and acting in certain ways, or not going certain places--instead of laying the fault for bad behavior on the perpetrators of said behavior.

I don't think anybody here is blaming victims for being raped, and I know for sure I'm not. Are you both complaining about protective men and generalizing the gender as rapists? Maybe I've just misunderstood your posts.

Avoiding crimes of all types is common sense. If you make a bad decision and become victim to a crime, it doesn't mean you are responsible for the crime. That applies to muggings, murders, rapes, robberies, identity theft, fraud, so on and so forth.

Noticing a Woman's beauty does not automatically lead to sexual assault. I've noticed plenty of beautiful women and have never assaulted any of them. But thanks for using your broad brush on us.

-out

[echoes]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

In General, Woman mean one thing to Men. Tits and Ass. Sorry but that is the truth. I have never met a Woman who I didn't look at her Boobs first.

Honesty is the best policy, IMHO.

Holly

[Roguish Lawyer]

We need to get back on topic please.

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

We need to get back on topic please.

Were talking T&A here...lol

[uplink5]

Originally Posted by Defend

Please tell me I misread your question. Are you asking if I would order the woman be arrested and jailed for life? If so, the answer is an emphatic "Hell No". Notice that was a quote from a lecture, one which I vehemently disagree with.

No, that post is directed towards AngelsSix who stated the folowing:

I have absolutely no respect for her, nor will she get my sympathy. She is neither intelligent nor professional in my book.

I wanted him to read your post and then ask himself if he would agree with that statement from al-Hilali's speech.

I'm a bit concerned he's guilty of perhaps inadvertently blaming the victim or rationalizing a gang rape based upon some paper's story about her. To state that he has "absolutely no respect for her, nor will she get my sympathy", almost sounds as if she deserved what she got because of allegations in a newspaper.

Its irrelevant and inappropriate....jd