U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, staff, shot at event in Tuscon, Ariz.

[Todd 1]

Christina-Taylor Green
9/11/01-1/8/11


Christina-Taylor Green's short life was pinned between two national tragedies: She was born Sept. 11, 2001, and she died as a gunman apparently targeting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) shot 20 people in Tucson.

Christina, a budding elementary school politician, was the youngest among the six killed in Saturday's shooting.

The 9-year-old, who had big brown eyes and long brown hair, recently had been elected to her student council. She went with a family friend to see Giffords speak, a way to learn more about serving in government.

"Christina Green was a wonderful child," said her teacher, Kathie DeKnikker. "She had not only the energy and enthusiasm of a typical third-grader but also maturity and insight that most children don't attain until much later."

Christina's love of American civics began early.

"She was born back east and Sept. 11 affected everyone there, and Christina-Taylor was always very aware of it," her mother, Roxanna Green, told the Arizona Daily Star. "She was very patriotic, and wearing red, white and blue was really special to her."

DeKnikker said she was a leader in her classroom at Mesa Verde Elementary school, helping other students and contributing to discussions.

"The thing I will remember most about Christina was her well-developed sense of humor. Oh, how she could make us laugh with her witty comments," she said. "We will all miss her terribly."

School officials said there will be counselors early Monday morning for students and staff.

The young girl, who was the only girl to play for the Pirates, the Canyon del Oro Little League baseball team, continued the family's baseball tradition. Her father, John Green, is a scout for the Los Angeles Dodgers and her grandfather, Dallas Green, is a former major league pitcher and manager. The elder Green managed the Philadephia Phillies from 1979 to 1981, winning a World Series title in 1980. He went on to manage the Yankees and the Mets.

Christina had one sibling an 11-year-old brother, also named Dallas, and the two loved to go swimming together, her parents said.

"She kept up with everyone. She was a strong girl, a very good athlete and a strong swimmer," her mother said in interviews with the local paper. "She was interested in everything. She got a guitar for Christmas, so her next thing was learning to play guitar."

Christina had just received her first Holy Communion at St. Odilia's Catholic Church in Tucson, Catholic Diocese of Tucson officials told the Arizona Daily Star.

"She was real special and real sweet, "her uncle Greg Segalini told the Arizona Republic.

The girl was already aware of the "inequalities" of the world, Roxanna Green said. Christina often repeated the same phrase to her mother: "We are so blessed. We have the best life."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010902186.html

Give her eternal rest, O Lord, and may Your light shine upon her forever.

[Guy]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

You people are killing me..... how does anyone know what the PUNK had in mind other than he wanted to kill a lot of innocent people and went to the grocery store to do so?

Please speculate away.....

Nowadays, the MSM spins it into a conspiracy for ratings and "we the people" drink the kool-aid every time.

Stay safe.

[silentreader]

Cable news networks are worthless. CNN is good for the pictures when there's a Big Event going on (election, war, natural disaster) but besides that, cable news will melt your brain.

The NYtimes, on the other hand, has covered this very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html?hp

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by silentreader

Cable news networks are worthless. CNN is good for the pictures when there's a Big Event going on (election, war, natural disaster) but besides that, cable news will melt your brain.

The NYtimes, on the other hand, has covered this very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html?hp

You mean they set up the poor "troubled youth's" mental competency profile very well, right?

This thing will be blamed on his aggressive father, the failure of the university to recognize his degenerating mental health and giving him help instead of the boot, and most importantly the capacity of a Glock magazine.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html


One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition the gunman used.McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a shooting in 1993 on a Long Island commuter train.

“My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow,” McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.

Gun control activists cried it was time to reform weapons laws in the United States, almost immediately after a gunman killed six and injured 14 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Arizona on Saturday.

Many said that people with a history of mental instability, like the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, should not be able to buy a gun — and no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.

McCarthy said she plans to confer with House Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to see “if we can work something through” in the coming week.

McCarthy’s spokesman confirmed the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he or the congresswoman offered any further details.

“Again, we need to look at how this is going to work, to protect people, certainly citizens, and we have to look at what I can pass,” McCarthy said. “I don’t want to give the NRA – excuse the pun – the ammunition to come at me either.”

Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he also plans to take legislative action. He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.

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[Paslode]

Originally Posted by silentreader

Cable news networks are worthless. CNN is good for the pictures when there's a Big Event going on (election, war, natural disaster) but besides that, cable news will melt your brain.

The NYtimes, on the other hand, has covered this very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html?hp

Really?

Here's is a snippet from a NYT editorial that sounds like the rest of the trash I have been reading and hearing.

It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman’s act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/op...ml?ref=opinion

[Dusty]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...mans_yard.html

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Dusty

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...mans_yard.html

Didn't you know? That's standard Tea Party stuff. I have one myself in the back yard. Ours is stained with blood from animal sacrifices.

[alright4u]

Originally Posted by Guy

Nowadays, the MSM spins it into a conspiracy for ratings and "we the people" drink the kool-aid every time.

Stay safe.

I had to turn FOX off the day this was reported. Geraldo pushed his Sarah Palin hit job. I about puked. Why can't they get off ass and find the damn facts and then report? Mentally ill folks live everywhere.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Source is here.

Yup, if some media source posted/printed it, it must be true.

That part of your critical thinking process, read/cite one small media source for all your facts?
You don't need to respond. Enjoy the ride on the moron driven media bandwagon.

Guy,
Remember those two "sniper" idiots killing innocent people in Wash D.C.? Can you imagine if they had killed the woman working for the CIA first? Our moron driven media might have started WWIII.
TS

[Oldrotorhead]

Originally Posted by Pete

Didn't you know? That's standard Tea Party stuff. I have one myself in the back yard. Ours is stained with blood from animal sacrifices.

Just wait until your final initiation then it is human blood. You will also be allowed to buy 200 round Glock magazines.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Yup, if some media source posted/printed it, it must be true.

That part of your critical thinking process, read/cite one small media source for all your facts?
You don't need to respond. Enjoy the ride on the moron driven media bandwagon.

Guy,
Remember those two "sniper" idiots killing innocent people in Wash D.C.? Can you imagine if they had killed the woman working for the CIA first? Our moron driven media might have started WWIII.
TS

As long as we don't jump to conclusions, TS:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...ame-palin-afte


On November 5, 2009, Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at a troop readiness center in Ft. Hood, Texas, killing 13 people. Within hours of the killings, the world knew that Hasan reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before he began shooting, visited websites associated with Islamist violence, wrote Internet postings justifying Muslim suicide bombings, considered U.S. forces his enemy, opposed American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as wars on Islam, and told a neighbor shortly before the shootings that he was going "to do good work for God." There was ample evidence, in other words, that the Ft. Hood attack was an act of Islamist violence.

Nevertheless, public officials, journalists, and commentators were quick to caution that the public should not "jump to conclusions" about Hasan's motive. CNN, in particular, became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care.

"The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN the night of the shootings.

"We cannot jump to conclusions," said CNN's Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. "We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever."

"I'm on Pentagon chat room," said former CIA operative Robert Baer on CNN, also the night of the shooting. "Right now, there's messages going back and forth, saying do not jump to the conclusion this had anything to do with Islam."

The next day, President Obama underscored the rapidly-forming conventional wisdom when he told the country, "I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts." In the days that followed, CNN jouralists and guests repeatedly echoed the president's remarks.

"We can't jump to conclusions," Army Gen. George Casey said on CNN November 8. The next day, political analyst Mark Halperin urged a "transparent" investigation into the shootings "so the American people don't jump to conclusions." And when Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra, then the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, suggested that the Ft. Hood attack was terrorism, CNN's John Roberts was quick to intervene. "Now, President Obama has asked people to be very cautious here and to not jump to conclusions," Roberts said to Hoekstra. "By saying that you believe this is an act of terror, are you jumping to a conclusion?"

Fast forward a little more than a year, to January 8, 2011. In Tucson, Arizona, a 22 year-old man named Jared Lee Loughner opened fire at a political event, gravely wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing a federal judge and five others, and wounding 18. In the hours after the attack, little was known about Loughner beyond some bizarre and largely incomprehensible YouTube postings that, if anything, suggested he was mentally ill. Yet the network that had shown such caution in discussing the Ft. Hood shootings openly discussed the possibility that Loughner was inspired to violence by…Sarah Palin. Although there is no evidence that Loughner was in any way influenced by Palin, CNN was filled with speculation about the former Alaska governor.

After reporting that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik had condemned what Dupnik called "the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government," CNN's Wolf Blitzer turned to congressional reporter Jessica Yellin for analysis. The sheriff "singled out some of the political rhetoric, as you point out, in creating the environment that allowed this kind of instance to happen," Yellin told Blitzer. "Even though, as you point out, this suspect is not cooperating with investigators, so we don't know the motive. President Obama also delivered that message, saying it's partly the political rhetoric that led to this. So that's why we want to bring up one of the themes that's burning up the social media right now. On Twitter and Facebook, there is a lot of talk, in particular, about Sarah Palin. As you might recall, back in March of last year, when the health care vote was coming to the floor of the House and this was all heating up, Palin tweeted out a message on Twitter saying 'common sense conservatives, don't retreat -- instead reload.' And she referred folks to her Facebook page. On that Facebook page was a list of Democratic members she was putting in crosshairs, and Gabrielle Giffords was one of those in the crosshairs."

Yellin noted that Palin had "posted a statement on Facebook saying that 'my sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families and for peace and justice.'" Yellin continued: "And I should point out that Republican leaders in Washington have said that this is not a partisan issue, this is about violence, as have some tea party groups. But clearly this is a moment to talk about our political rhetoric."

"It certainly is," Blitzer agreed. "But the question is, is there any evidence that the suspected shooter in this particular case was a Sarah Palin fan, read Sarah Palin's website, was a member on Facebook, watched her tweets, or anything like that?"

"None at all," Yellin responded. "And there is no evidence that this was even inspired by rage over health care, broadly. So there is no overt connection between Sarah Palin, health care, and the [shootings]."

Indeed, there is no "overt" or any other sort of connection between Loughner and Palin. If such evidence came to light, it would certainly be news. But without that evidence, and after a brief caveat, the CNN group went back to discussing the theory that Loughner acted out of rage inspired by Palin and other Republicans. Conclusions were jumped to all around.

And it wasn't just CNN. Other media outlets were also filled with speculation about the attack and pronouncements on the state of American political rhetoric. What a markedly different situation from 15 months earlier when, in the face of actual evidence that Maj. Hasan was inspired by Islamist convictions, many media commentators sought to be voices of caution. Where was that caution after the shootings in Arizona?
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[Dusty]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7092G220110110

Clinton says Arizona shooter was "extremist"
ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the shooter who attacked Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords an "extremist," and said people worldwide should reject radical ideologies.

Clinton, speaking Monday in the United Arab Emirates, made the comment in response to a question about the September 11, 2001 attacks, carried out by al Qaeda.

At a televised town hall-style meeting, Clinton was asked why U.S. opinion often appears to blame the entire Arab world for 9/11. Clinton said this was due to misperceptions and the media impact of political violence.

"We have extremists in my country. A wonderful, incredibly brave young woman Congress member, Congresswoman Giffords, was just shot by an extremist in our country," she added.

"We have the same kinds of problems. So rather than standing off from each other, we should work to try to prevent the extremists anywhere from being able to commit violence."

The U.S. government has charged the 22-year-old suspected shooter with trying to assassinate Giffords by shooting her in the head during a rampage that killed six people and wounded 14 in Tucson, Arizona.

The shooting has fueled debate about extreme political rhetoric in the United States after an acrimonious campaign for congressional elections in November.

Clinton, who said she hoped her current trip to the Gulf would help to strengthen U.S. and Arab mutual understanding, said both societies should work to offset the sometimes overly loud voices on the political fringes.

"The extremists and their voices, the crazy voices that sometimes get on the TV, that's not who we are, that's not who you are, and what we have to do is get through that and make it clear that that doesn't represent either American or Arab ideas or opinions," she said.

She said Muslims and particularly Arabs around the world should not believe media accounts of widespread U.S. antipathy toward them in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

"Although 9/11 was a very terrible tragedy for our country, in the years since, we have been working hard to build our partnerships and our relationships with the Arab world in particular," Clinton said, noting that President Barack Obama had made improving links with the Muslim world a key goal.

"This president and this administration are determined to isolate the extremists and not to let the extremists color the view in any place."

[como]

Originally Posted by wet dog

While some readers will think this thread has become a political shit stick stirring venue, may I remind everyone, that this webiste is for just that purpose. So, if you have an opinion, please post your thoughts after careful reflection. Remember also that the reading audience if fairly capable of reasonably reply.

FYI: An incident occured, a bad day for some, a good day for others. Trust me when I say, many in that crowd are at Mass today, because they feel lucky it did not happen to them.

No amount of legislation, talking heads forn the MSM, or political groups will prevent this from happening again. Incidents of this nature have been typically left to other regions of the world and for other reasons.

Welcome to our world, this will happen again and in a neighborhood near you.

So, (como), in answering you "team room" question, I will say this. I have a hot cup of coffee in my right hand, my shoulder leaning again the door, while my left hand is firming in my front pocket, I'm smiling at each of my team members and we are carefully contemplating our actions on the objective.

I know very clearly who the enemies of America are, do you?

I think your response to me in a website for warriors is indicitive of the very unfortunate place we find ourselves. My 5 year old daughter can recite the Plege of Alegence without help and the Lords Prayer. I offered my life to my country the day I turned 17 so some another American with a family might not have to go to Vietnam. You infer "Actions on the Objective" is my house? Do you want my address? I guess you also think the statement that "American Veterans are really Terrorist" made by our Government is reasonable. What a shame. Finally, with regard to who are our enemies, I know. I will let the facts speak for themselves. I would hope you and I are not. Anything we say can always be construed as threatening by some. Darn nasty thing, Free Speech. If I read you wrong, my sincere apologies. De Oppresso Liber

[tom kelly]

Good and Evil Reside in the same place........IN THE MIND.
Prayers out to the people who were killed and wounded in the shooting incident in Arizona.
Lessons to be learned from the shooting incident !
Bad things can happen at anytime & they come upon you in seconds....Always be Alert (Situational Awareness) Be prepared to take immediate action to eliminate the threat and save your life and the lives of others....Regard's, Tom Kelly

[Pete]

Originally Posted by como

I think your response to me in a website for warriors is indicitive of the very unfortunate place we find ourselves. My 5 year old daughter can recite the Plege of Alegence without help and the Lords Prayer. I offered my life to my country the day I turned 17 so some another American with a family might not have to go to Vietnam. You infer "Actions on the Objective" is my house? Do you want my address? I guess you also think the statement that "American Veterans are really Terrorist" made by our Government is reasonable. What a shame. Finally, with regard to who are our enemies, I know. I will let the facts speak for themselves. I would hope you and I are not. Anything we say can always be construed as threatening by some. Darn nasty thing, Free Speech. If I read you wrong, my sincere apologies. De Oppresso Liber

I think you totally read him wrong.

You need to maybe read a little more on this site before you start reading into people's posts on this board and posting what you think they said.