The Two America's And The WTC Mosque Debate

[Raschid]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

That is strike two.

You might want to look at the number of American Muslim soldiers who have killed their comrades as well as those who have served honorably. The ratio is not as favorable as you would seem to believe. People who disagree with you are not necessarily slanderous. How old are you, anyway?

Show others on this board the respect you would like to receive, or your time here will be brief.

TR

Strike two?? Are we talking Bowling or Baseball Sir?
( Am I allowed to Joke or is that "verboten"?)

OK Reaper i get your point.

I would like to know the exact ratio (which in future i will get)and would be very grateful on any statistics anyone may have i just know my father my uncle have served honorably and we have a Silver Star "in The Family"
I am not saying this to be facetious (sorry sounds very Dick Cavett-ish)

I will write a Handbook on Islam for the U.S. Army when i am finsihed with my current project(Islam in The German Army/ Waffen SS ;have been offered full support from The US Consulate Munich Press Attache´)

..but thats a year off...

And since you asked how old i am...i will say truthfully 43 years old.
but i am like Bugs Bunny kissing Elmer J. Fudd and then diving into my hole.

[Raschid]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Why revert? Why not convert?

Is it because the prophet Muhammad said “No babe is born upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033) ???

Just curious...

HI T-Rock !

Its´actaully the other way around:

"Every child is born into Islam its just that later his parent turn him into
their religion" Deen ul Fitra = "The Religion Of Your Natural State/Condition"

Which means Absolute Mono-Theism not Trinitarism or Poly Theism.

thanks for asking

[T-Rock]

So I'm not even aware that I am a Muslim?

OK, from your POV on the issue of reverting to Islam, taking into consideration Sharia Law, if you consider me a Muslim who has yet to revert, and you give me the invitation to do so, and I do not accept, what happens next - under the Sunni Jurisprudence of Islamic Law?

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ETA


Since you have bowed out, allow me to quote your Sharia, I take it you are Sunni...

Unbelief (Kufr)

o9.6 (A: though if there is no caliph (def: o25), no permission is required).

c2.5 The unlawful (haram) is what the Law giver strictly forbids. Someone who commits an unlawful act deserves punishment...

(3) and unbelief (kufr), sins which put one beyond the pale of Islam (as discussed at o8.7) and neccessitate stating the Testification of faith (Shahada)...

o4:17 There is no indemnity for killing a non-Muslim...
(pgs 588-595)

o8.7 (2) to intend to commit unbelief, even if in the future. And like this intention is hesitating whether to do so or not: one therby immediately commits unbelief:

(15) to hold that any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent:


(19) to be sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law:
(these are but a few)

BACK TO o8.0

o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed

(Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law Pages 30-45, 588-595, 595-610).

Pardon my French, but that's Fucked up...

[Todd 1]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

Some I have seen on the web:

Turban Cowboy
Suspicious Packages
Al Gayda
The Velvet Sword
The Ba’ath Party

The Ba'ath Party...Haaaaaaaaa!!!, I laughed so loud my dog started barking

[T-Rock]

Around 50 Muslims were murdered on that day in WTC (One a NYC Police Academy Cadet/ Rescue Team Member).

Islam is an ideology and Muslims are individuals living under that ideology. Of all those who have been oppressed and victimized by the religion of Islam, including the nearly 3,000 murdered on 9/11, the greatest victims are the Muslims themselves...

[alright4u]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Islam is an ideology and Muslims are individuals living under that ideology. Of all those who have been oppressed and victimized by the religion of Islam, including the nearly 3,000 murdered on 9/11, the greatest victims are the Muslims themselves...

Are you out of you damn mind?

[T-Rock]

Are you out of you damn mind

IMHO, Islam is a political ideology rather than a religion because it is inherently political.

Its doctrine and laws (Sharia) puts pressure on everyone to follow that ideology, and it requires rules and laws on how the non-Muslim, or the Kafir are to be treated and governed.

The laws of Islam attempt to govern folks like me who do not adhere to their religion, which is Supremacist in nature, an ideology that requires subjugation.

If I have lost my mind for coming to this conclusion, Oh well I do pity those who cannot escape, and those who do not chose it, those born into Islam, their children...

[alright4u]

Your Interests include Navy SEALS in RVN. Please tell Captain Bailey you are a nice guy.