Guardsmen overrun at the Border and RETREAT

[Sionnach]

Politics over protection. I wonder if one of the NG troops would have been prosecuted had he chosen to defend his rather than "tactically withdraw."

[JGarcia]

A few months ago, they asked around our unit for volunteers to do the border support mission, there were none. We all know its ridiculous window dressing, now if the mission were to apprehend border crossers, I think not only would they have received volunteers to go, but our enlistments would dramatically increase as well.

I think the elections would have been a completely different result had the President done this:

given amnesty to all that are here and pushed for an amendment so that no one born of foreign parents receives automatic citizenship, OR......

Deploy a NG division, give it teeth and authority, shut down the border, and offer a reward for anyone turning in someone who hires an illegal, prosecute anyone who hires, feeds, houses, lends money to, buys from or sells to, illegals....

Make the penalty loss of all material & financial assets (houses, cars, mutual funds, 401K, kids college fund, all of it.) loss of driving privlidges for life, forfeiture of any social security benefits or assistance, this penalty would apply to banks, corporations and its officers as well as private individuals. For instance, Bank of America makes home loans to illegals, as long as they can provide proof of income and a Matricula card.... Uncle Sam would get a huge payday if BofA continued this practice, and its CFO, CEO etc., would be trying to find a job picking lettuce., a job where someone could give him a ride to work, as he wouldn't be able to drive legally.

The intent being to make those persons supporting the illegal labor trade indigent for life. Depriving these americans (lower case "a") as they have deprived every blue collar American worker through their criminal subsidy of illegal labor.

No one would so much as lift a finger to do anything for an illegal, there would be no reason to come here. Perhaps couple this with an amendment to stop foreign births from receiving citizenship.

And I'm hispanic, before anyone wants to call me a racist xenophobe.

[x SF med]

Racist xenophobe. You asked for it, I just obliged. Your methodology, although a bit draconian, would make it far less attractive than the current 'slap on the wrist' laws.

[JGarcia]

I think its draconian to take money from working families by subsidizing labor. People don't understand how that works. You pay ABC company to build a house, he employs legal labor, he has to pay taxes and insurance and workmens compensation and other expenses to operate legally,

meanwhile XYZ company employs illegals, he builds houses for half of what ABC company does, because he doesn't have workmens comp, etc. in essence his operating costs are lower.

So, the folks at ABC company can either hire fewer legal workers to remain competitive, thereby increasing the number of unemployed, or hire illegals to remain in business and turn a profit. Meanwhile Joe Dokes the carpenter has to take a job for less money, because the market will not bear what he is worth, so he can't buy a house or have a family because he can't afford one in his own country that his forefathers handed down to him. So, he's got to go to school or do something else besides the trade that he loves. Now, That is draconian.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Guardsmen to be honored after U.S. border incident NASHVILLE - The Tennessee National Guard will honor four of its men for properly handling a tense situation while patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border earlier this month, a Guard spokesman said.

The troops were approached by a group of six to eight armed men while on patrol Jan. 3 and withdrew without confrontation, according to a military report.

"The soldiers did exactly what their mission was, to pull back if they're approached by armed personnel coming across the border," Tennessee National Guard spokesman Randy Harris said Saturday.

The ceremony honoring the four Guardsmen is expected to take place later this week, and Tennessee National Guard Adjutant Gen. Gus Hargett is likely to attend, Harris said.

They will be presented with either an Army commendation or achievement medal.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/ar...296146,00.html

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Guardsmen to be honored after U.S. border incident NASHVILLE - The Tennessee National Guard will honor four of its men for properly handling a tense situation while patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border earlier this month, a Guard spokesman said.

The troops were approached by a group of six to eight armed men while on patrol Jan. 3 and withdrew without confrontation, according to a military report.

"The soldiers did exactly what their mission was, to pull back if they're approached by armed personnel coming across the border," Tennessee National Guard spokesman Randy Harris said Saturday.

The ceremony honoring the four Guardsmen is expected to take place later this week, and Tennessee National Guard Adjutant Gen. Gus Hargett is likely to attend, Harris said.

They will be presented with either an Army commendation or achievement medal.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/ar...296146,00.html

Whoever came up with that mission should get a Darwin award.

[jatx]

When I was at Ft. Jackson last fall, I met another Guardsman from Northern California, a 68W. He stated that he enlisted because he wanted to be part of the border mission. Somehow I doubt stories like these were included in the recruiter's pitch.

[sg1987]

Ex-Border Patrol Agent in Prison for Shooting Mexican Drug Runner Assaulted by Inmates
Wednesday, February 07, 2007

By Liza Porteus


One of two former Border Patrol agents sentenced to more than a decade in prison for shooting and wounding a suspected Mexican drug smuggler was beaten by a group of inmates last weekend, a Texas congressman confirmed Tuesday to FOXNews.com.

story here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250574,00.html

[x SF med]

I still find it interesting that both of these BPAs are of Hispanic descent, and are being treated as if they are the racist xenophobes (sorry shooter, had to borrow that again), they did their jobs, and look what they got, and how they are treated in prison.

WTF is going on here? What has happened to this country?

[CoLawman]

Originally Posted by x SF med

I still find it interesting that both of these BPAs are of Hispanic descent, and are being treated as if they are the racist xenophobes (sorry shooter, had to borrow that again), they did their jobs, and look what they got, and how they are treated in prison.

WTF is going on here? What has happened to this country?

It seems that Homeland Security IG Richard Skinner has testified before a Homeland Security subcommittee that the information regarding the Agents admitting to investigators from DHS IG office "were out to shoot Mexicans.." (see below article.) was a complete fabrication. I tried to find IG Skinner's admission to the perjured testimony, but it apparently has not hit the media yet. I just got this information while listening to the Laura Ingraham show. Her guest was Representative Michael T. McCaul (R) of Congressional District number 10 of Texas.

The Investigators who made these false statements in front of Congress need to be tarred and feathered.

As a side note, the transcripts from the trial have still not been completed as the court reporter is "still sick."


http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5108915

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, told the Daily Bulletin on Wednesday that Homeland Security Inspector General Richard Skinner has refused to deliver documents confirming his office's claims that Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean admitted they "were out to shoot Mexicans," and knowingly shot Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a drug smuggler, in a border incident nearly two years ago.
McCaul and three other House members met with Skinner on Sept. 26, 2006, to discuss the agents' case.

The Daily Bulletin obtained a confidential Office of Inspector General memo from an interview Compean gave to investigators on March 18, 2005. ...

[tk27]

Andrew McCarthy is a smart guy and about as conservative as you get, he was a former Federal Prosecutor who convicted the blind shiek back in the 90's and is a contributer to the National Review now. A few weeks ago he wrote about these guys, its worth the read.
The Border-Patrol Two Deserve Jail: Law enforcement defends its honor, despite the “hero” propaganda

So why are some Border Patrol agents vilifying Sutton today? Why are they joined by a full-throated chorus of union reps, anti-immigration activists, media heavyweights, and a small but vocal cabal of mostly Republican congressmen? Because two rogues who had no business wearing badges and carrying guns have managed to entangle their gross malfeasance in the impassioned politics of immigration, that’s why.

The sordid details that should condemn these corrupt agents — agents who make the jobs of honest law-enforcement officers galactically harder both in the field and in the courtroom — have been obscured by layers of hyperbole. Hyperbole by which they’ve ludicrously been portrayed as “heroes.” Truth be damned, they have somehow managed to make themselves the rallying cry for Americans enraged by their government’s conscious avoidance — indeed, its active facilitation — of exploding illegal immigration and all its consequent social maladies.

Bad cops belong in jail.

[sf11b_p]

That article has some pretty colorful writing, "GRATUITOUS BRUTALITY" awesome. In fact the article was riding the line if not crossing into fill in the blanks creative.

Instead of arresting the wounded smuggler, they put their guns away and left him behind.

What left him lying in the dirt or had he crossed the border?

Aldrete-Davila was eventually able to limp off to a waiting car and escape into Mexico.

How long was "Eventually" a few seconds, minutes, an hour, and there was a waiting car?

Here's the National Border Patrols rebuttal to U.S. Attorney Suttons statements, statements which the article seems to have used for it's facts base.

http://www.nbpc.net/ramos_compean/re..._to_sutton.pdf

And more.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4141562

I wasn't at the trial have no access to the transcripts and am only commenting on the articles.

[tk27]

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

What left him lying in the dirt or had he crossed the border?

They shot him in the thigh

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

Here's the National Border Patrols rebuttal to U.S. Attorney Suttons statements, statements which the article seems to have used for it's facts base.

It is the border patrols union. Big distinction.

Though they work for the public, federal employees, including law-enforcement agents, are permitted to unionize and fight the public every step of the way, no matter how abundantly clear it is that they should be disciplined or terminated for betraying the public’s trust. No federal official more cries out to be fired than one we trust with a gun and a badge who proves himself unfit to bear the attendant responsibilities. Yet, our system arms even them with administrative rights that make termination prohibitively difficult. Moreover, it gives these bad actors powerful incentives not to accept termination without a fight. Because law-enforcement work can be physically stressful and dangerous, agents have very attractive benefits — including retirement after comparatively short careers with a pension based on their highest-income years of service. There is too much at stake to go away quietly.

Criminal conviction is often the only way to cut through the burdensome, uncertain administrative process. Agencies sometimes will not take disciplinary action absent charges. Consequently, if agents don’t agree to resign over outrageous misconduct, the only sure way to get rid of them is to indict and convict them.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

I wasn't at the trial have no access to the transcripts and am only commenting on the articles.

No problem there. I just take the union rebuttal with a great deal of skepticism, as well as the Daily Bulletin.
McCarthy makes a great point that they "have managed to entangle their gross malfeasance in the impassioned politics of immigration". This is my problem with the modern conservative movement, they do just as the 60's era liberal activists they so deride - "everything becomes political".

[JGarcia]

I wonder what it will be like when illegal immigration gets to your states.

Did you know that 29 emergency rooms in Southern California alone have closed? Now, hospital admins will not come out and tell you they closed due to the illegal invasion, but when a facility is bombarded with customers who never intend to pay for service, eventually they can no longer do business.

23 Billion dollars anually goes across the border in remittance. Thats guys working here and sending the cash to mexico. And thats just the money thats traceable.

As California goes, so goes the Nation. Take a look at us to see exactly where you are going.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by tk27

They shot him in the thigh.

Did you have a particular point to this statement? Are you suggesting he couldn't have moved himself after being shot in the thigh?