1911 rail guns?

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

MARSOC just purchased new 1911 pistols for the school house and the teams. It was a five million dollar contract. After doing the math they paid $5000 per gun. They didn't prep the surface before applying the Cerekote so it is already worn off the guns. They applied the cerekote to the inside also so all the new guns gunk up and don't work after the first hundred rounds.
It's 2013. 1911 is a good gun but there are so many better ones out there. One of the commanders who wanted the 1911 over the Glock said "we don't need any plastic pussy type weapon"

Sounds like they were destined to have issues no matter what weapon they chose. You can't fix stupid.

[ES 96]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

MARSOC just purchased new 1911 pistols for the school house and the teams. It was a five million dollar contract. After doing the math they paid $5000 per gun. They didn't prep the surface before applying the Cerekote so it is already worn off the guns. They applied the cerekote to the inside also so all the new guns gunk up and don't work after the first hundred rounds.

Perhaps something like Severn's Hardhat (nitrocarburizing like Tenifer, Melonite, but lower temp‎) would have been the better way to go if stuck with 1911s anyway?

https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by ES 96

Perhaps something like Severn's Hardhat (nitrocarburizing like Tenifer, Melonite, but lower temp‎) would have been the better way to go if stuck with 1911s anyway?

https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html

Concur completely.

Idiot writes the specs, don't blame the weapons designer.

John M. Browning's 1911s ran for thousands of rounds MTBS/MTBF.

TR

[TacOfficer]

Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott

Since I started this thread some time ago, I thought that I would update it: Believe it or not, I actually listened to what some of you guys had to say

As a new duty weapon, rather than a 1911 rail gun, after a lot of research and a lot of soul searching, I went with a new Sig 229R-1, in the Enhanced Elite version (with Beavertail) in .357 Sig. (Glocks are fine weapons, but I just don't like their feel in my hand)

This is my first Sig, and I must say that I am impressed, and with the 14 rd Mec-Gar mags, it seems like I can shoot forever without changing mags

I like the double-action first shot--makes it a little harder to have an AD and shoot somebody that I really wasn't sure needed to be shot. The Short Reset Trigger is almost as nice as a good 1911.........

Thanks to all for the good recommendations and helping me to take a good hard look at what made the most sense.

Sometimes you get what you pay for. SIG has never disappointed me. I've had a P220 DAK (my dept will only allow, DAO or striker fire weapons) for over 10 years without malfunctioning once. Last year I picked up a Glock G17 Gen4. Stove pipped 3 times in 20 rounds, and kept flicking brass in my face. Factory said there was a design flaw in the ejector and sent out a new one. Works fine now. Since that fiasco I put the new E2 grips on my SIG and could not be happier. Those E2 grips in my opinion are the shizz. Say what you will about DAK, it is smooth.

[Chaplain Scott]

Here it is--its a sweet shooter

[TacOfficer]

Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott

Here it is--its a sweet shooter

She's a beauty!

Welcome to the club.

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

"we don't need any plastic pussy type weapon"

well, I guess the British Royal Marines, CIF, Singapore SEALS, and certain "units" are all aficionado of plastic-pussy-type weapons

Concur with the E2 grip. I wish I can put it on glocks, Larue grip, AK, sig232 and so on

I've come to dislike the slide release location on the sig though. It does not allow that as-high-and-forward firing hand position. The R thumb rides on the release, causing the pistol to fail to slide-lock after last round. More of PITA than any serious prob but still. The problem is exacerbated with use of gloves, which increases the size of your firing hand thumb and easily snags the slide release down. The problem is evident with the 2 SEALS I'm passing all my surgical-marksmanship knowledge/skills to. Their SOP is shoot with gloves on. They were convinced their 226 need to be sent back to the factory until I demonstrated then had them demonstrate the failure to slide-lock is user caused.

[TacOfficer]

Originally Posted by frostfire

well, I guess the British Royal Marines, CIF, Singapore SEALS, and certain "units" are all aficionado of plastic-pussy-type weapons

Concur with the E2 grip. I wish I can put it on glocks, Larue grip, AK, sig232 and so on

I've come to dislike the slide release location on the sig though. It does not allow that as-high-and-forward firing hand position. The R thumb rides on the release, causing the pistol to fail to slide-lock after last round. More of PITA than any serious prob but still. The problem is exacerbated with use of gloves, which increases the size of your firing hand thumb and easily snags the slide release down. The problem is evident with the 2 SEALS I'm passing all my surgical-marksmanship knowledge/skills to. Their SOP is shoot with gloves on. They were convinced their 226 need to be sent back to the factory until I demonstrated then had them demonstrate the failure to slide-lock is user caused.

I haven't had much of a problem with the slide lock myself although I can see how it can be an issue. It may have something to do with me shooting the same weapon for over 10 years and over time, becoming familiar with P220's particulars.

FWIW, I've got nothing against Glocks. I think someone on this forum once said "You can't have too many.....".

[beungood]

We have had alotmofmproblems with our Sig 226R dak's. I thinks the worst trigger going. The Armorer wants.to try and convince them to switch to Flock or S&W M&P or another high Quality .45.