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Ok, listen up!
A Higgs Boson was the guy in charge of one of those plywood landing craft in Dubya Dubya Eye Eye. Ain't none of you brainiacs figger'd that out?
As for the last three pages of posts, well y'all must be on some of that Absinthe stuff. Not the "safe" U.S. version, but that real European shit.
I swear.
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03-15-2013, 00:10
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A Higgs Boson was the guy in charge of one of those plywood landing craft in Dubya Dubya Eye Eye. Ain't none of you brainiacs figger'd that out?
As for the last three pages of posts, well y'all must be on some of that Absinthe stuff. Not the "safe" U.S. version, but that real European shit.
I swear.
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Sure nuf! You gotta be right ... musta been the O2 or the Nitrogen ... can't tell which ... LOL!!!!
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03-15-2013, 06:15
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A Higgs Boson was the guy in charge of one of those plywood landing craft in Dubya Dubya Eye Eye. Ain't none of you brainiacs figger'd that out?
As for the last three pages of posts, well y'all must be on some of that Absinthe stuff. Not the "safe" U.S. version, but that real European shit.
I swear.
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Love the Boson comment  Spoken like a true Squid 
As to Absinthe - I wish. Just the inner Sheldon - Bazinga
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03-15-2013, 06:17
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As to Hawking ... I think he's gone over to the 'brane' side .... LOL!
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03-15-2013, 06:24
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But... But... Nobody mentioned Heisenberg 
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03-15-2013, 06:39
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Doesn't make any difference if you apply the conclusion of the Copenhagen experiment ... the diffusion of the particles even though fired singly indicate that the movement (and phantom interaction) of the particles was pre-ordained.
Makes life interesting ... don't ya think ....
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Pre-ordained? Naah, nothing is pre-ordained. All the Copenhagen experiment did was try to discount the quantum mechanic view of subatomic particles (wave-particle duality) and invoked a collapse of the wave function. A special condition invoked to account for the observation, IMO. Schrodinger's mental experiment (Schrodinger's cat) illustrated the problem nicely. The observer dependence argument was poppy-cock too, IMO. If I look at a tree and then turnaround so I don't see the tree, does it cease to exist? Turn your back on someone shooting at you and find out I think Heisenberg, summarized the problem correctly. The act of measuring (observing) altered the system and therefore the outcome such that probability could be applied. This is a fundamental truism in scientific experimentation and a question I always keep uppermost in my mind when interpreting an experimental result with a living cell.
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03-15-2013, 08:23
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Cool  Much simpler than the derivations we came up with in grad school. I think I still have mine. I need to look for it. I am absolutely certain it was not in 28 steps though. Probably more like 50-75 steps. I do recall spending the better part of a week on the derivation too.
For what it's worth, and as an interesting side note, Niels Bohr, often considered the father of modern chemistry, and a principle in these debates of that era, is my chemistry great grandfather. He trained Henry Rappaport, who trained Jon Bordner, who trained me. It amazes me sometimes just how young this discipline really is.
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See post #39 
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03-15-2013, 09:18
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If it pans out, will this finally resolve Feynman's contention with String Theory about not providing consistent predictions at accessable energy scales?  |
JMO, I always like to look for the simplest explanation (Ockham's Razor). String theory and membranes are way too complicated for cosmological explanations. Nature, IMO, always conserves energy and finds the simplest path that is governed by fundamental laws. Us humans just have not understood these laws in their entirety yet and we tend to apply exceptions and special conditions to make our explanations fit the available data.
Feynman has an SF mentality, IMO. At one point he is reported to have said to his colleagues during a particularly contentious debate, "Shut up and get back to calculating!" I like that! 
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03-15-2013, 09:45
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You guys are making my brain hurt. I have not been into this stuff this deep since the 60s and then it was considered radical theory. 
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Pre-ordained? Naah, nothing is pre-ordained. All the Copenhagen experiment did was try to discount the quantum mechanic view of subatomic particles (wave-particle duality) and invoked a collapse of the wave function. A special condition invoked to account for the observation, IMO. Schrodinger's mental experiment (Schrodinger's cat) illustrated the problem nicely. The observer dependence argument was poppy-cock too, IMO. If I look at a tree and then turnaround so I don't see the tree, does it cease to exist? Turn your back on someone shooting at you and find out I think Heisenberg, summarized the problem correctly. The act of measuring (observing) altered the system and therefore the outcome such that probability could be applied. This is a fundamental truism in scientific experimentation and a question I always keep uppermost in my mind when interpreting an experimental result with a living cell. |
I'll keep that in mind concerning the experiment we're living .... it's a fundamental truism I'm wont to overlook sometimes ... thanks!
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03-15-2013, 10:44
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You guys are making my brain hurt. I have not been into this stuff this deep since the 60s and then it was considered radical theory. |
At least it's just your brain hurting.
This is me reading this thread .....
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03-15-2013, 10:51
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At least it's just your brain hurting.
This is me reading this thread .....
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Haha! That's exactly how I felt when I first met Schrodinger's cat.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...omes-into-view
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Opportunity of a lifetime
I was presented with the opportunity of a lifetime at the funeral service of the 13 South African Paratroopers who lost their lives in the CAR. A few of us were standing around, waiting for kickoff, when a bearded fellow in a very smart white uniform walked up to us and introduced himself. I am at sea with high rank insignia at the best of times, but the Navy is a closed book to me. This quietly spoken gentleman had enough gold braid on him to pay off the national debt, so it was clear he was someone quite important. As I shook his hand, I noticed his nameplate on his chest which said Higgs. I couldnt help myself, and just had to ask,"Are you the famous Higgs Bosun everyone is looking for?" I got a somewhat puzzled smile and denial as he walked off. I have just consulted Google and Wiki tells me he is Chief of Naval Staff , Robert Higgs and he is not a Bosun but a Rear Admiral.
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I was presented with the opportunity of a lifetime at the funeral service of the 13 South African Paratroopers who lost their lives in the CAR. A few of us were standing around, waiting for kickoff, when a bearded fellow in a very smart white uniform walked up to us and introduced himself. I am at sea with high rank insignia at the best of times, but the Navy is a closed book to me. This quietly spoken gentleman had enough gold braid on him to pay off the national debt, so it was clear he was someone quite important. As I shook his hand, I noticed his nameplate on his chest which said Higgs. I couldnt help myself, and just had to ask,"Are you the famous Higgs Bosun everyone is looking for?" I got a somewhat puzzled smile and denial as he walked off. I have just consulted Google and Wiki tells me he is Chief of Naval Staff , Robert Higgs and he is not a Bosun but a Rear Admiral.
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LMAO, Bro Good one - a chance of a lifetime. Well played.
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