Transgenders not welcome

[PRB]

Originally Posted by afchic

You have completely lost me. How you can compare someone who is transgender with work ethic is completely beyond me.

Tell me, how do transgenders impact YOUR life? I don't want to here about what they are doing to society, etc.. I want specific cases where they impact YOU.

I have a couple. COL Schroer is one, and I found him to be one of the biggest brained people I will ever know. Since working for him, and being mentally challenged by him daily, I think made me a better officer. I started reading books I never would have read had it not been for him. I started thinking in ways I never would have, on strategic issues important to the national security of this country because of him. Say what you will about Dave becoming Dianne after he retired, but I know a lot of people in the military that were positively influenced by him.

While at NPS I also had a professor who was transgender. Went throught the whole surgery and used the same restroom as I did. I didn't like her politics, but she was a damn fine professor who broadened my thoughts on our strategic interests in the PACOM AOR.

So yes maybe they may have some kind of mental deficiency, or as some of you have stated, a mental illness. That does not mean they do not have value in this world.

If we only limit our interactions with people who look like we do, think like we do, have the same religious preferences as we do, then this world becomes a really boring place, IMHO.

Every human has value. Even the confused ones.
Individuals make choices in life and that's what they are...individual choices.
When society, like let's say Dept.of Def, recognises these individual choices then they underwrite them...norm them.
Our mission in DoD is simply to fight and win our Countries war s...not come close, not come second, but to win.
Every decision that is made within DoD should start with...."How does this relate to Warfighting?"
I suggest to you that social programs, like transgender norming, have no real place within DoD as they would distract more than add to the focus of individuals and units.
Maybe some time in a land far far away when we are all unisex...or whatever.
Transgenders don't bother me, or prob anyone here, but I don't want the military to have to deal with social issue after social issue that takes away from its warfighting focus.
We have enough bullshit in all of the sundry 'Commanders time' required yearly theater instruction without 'transgender relations' being added to the pile.
Let's take that hour and maybe spend it on the range, huh.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

What's a "conservative social program"?

If we're talking about free chow, houses and cellphones because you live in a shitty part of town programs, there are none.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Dusty

If we're talking about free chow, houses and cellphones because you live in a shitty part of town programs, there are none.

Nope, not talking about any of those, or even similar to those. I just cannot think of anything I would consider a 'conservative social program'. To me, the word 'social' - when used in a governmental context - brings up the word 'liberal' or 'moderate' - but not 'conservative'! Examples???

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Nope, not talking about any of those, or even similar to those. I just cannot think of anything I would consider a 'conservative social program'. To me, the word 'social' - when used in a governmental context - brings up the word 'liberal' or 'moderate' - but not 'conservative'! Examples???

We're saying the same thing, Bro-there are none.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by PRB

Every human has value. Even the confused ones.
Individuals make choices in life and that's what they are...individual choices.
When society, like let's say Dept.of Def, recognises these individual choices then they underwrite them...norm them.
Our mission in DoD is simply to fight and win our Countries war s...not come close, not come second, but to win.
Every decision that is made within DoD should start with...."How does this relate to Warfighting?"
I suggest to you that social programs, like transgender norming, have no real place within DoD as they would distract more than add to the focus of individuals and units.
Maybe some time in a land far far away when we are all unisex...or whatever.
Transgenders don't bother me, or prob anyone here, but I don't want the military to have to deal with social issue after social issue that takes away from its warfighting focus.
We have enough bullshit in all of the sundry 'Commanders time' required yearly theater instruction without 'transgender relations' being added to the pile.
Let's take that hour and maybe spend it on the range, huh.

I agree with you. I have never advocated for transgenders in the military. I can't even begin to fathom the issues that would be raised. I was simply stating that these folks have worth, and I have witnessed firsthand their worth. They may never be able to be in uniform but the DoD can still benefit from them in other ways.

COL Shroer waited til after his retirement, and never attempted to force the DoD to recognize his choice. As for my professor, she has always been a civilian, and never wanted to join the military. But is very happy to teach military students, and has imparted alot of valuable information that in turn has helped the DoD by her students going out into the field and using the things they learned from her.

[PRB]

Just to keep the ball rolling........
Natural selection is a wonderful thing.
If, lesbian gays and transgenders etc. were not allowed the scientific manner of fertilization then their chosen lifestyle would leave them incapable of having children.
I wonder if our 'social experiment' of allowing sperm donar fertilization will lead to an uptick in our 'confused' population?
Couple that with children raised on the "I have two Daddies/Momies" lifestyle and what will we get as a result?
Will the end result be a positive for our society?

[greenberetTFS]

I started reading books I never would have read had it not been for him........... Try reading the Bible..........

Big Teddy

[PRB]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

I started reading books I never would have read had it not been for him........... Try reading the Bible..........

Big Teddy

"There you go again!"......