03-14-2012, 18:13
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
As far as I'm concerned everybody who doesn't pay taxes should be disenfranchised. (Actually, I prefer RH's solution in Starship Troopers - only citizens can vote and the only route to citizenship was military service.) So there! And I didn't use pink.
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Seconded.
I would permit an alternate (longer) community service term for those opposed to military service.
No exceptions. Everybody who wants to vote serves honorably doing something for the country.
TR
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03-15-2012, 07:40
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In Georgia, it appears that the state makes it as simple as possible to obtain a voting ID.
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What IDs are acceptable?
Any valid state or federal government issued photo ID, including a FREE Voter ID Card issued by your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)
A Georgia Driver's License, even if expired
Valid employee photo ID from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. passport ID
Valid U.S. military photo ID
Valid tribal photo ID
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03-15-2012, 08:25
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An interesting read on the Voter ID matter reproduced below.
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Unfortunately, despite all the technological advances in our modern democracy, voter fraud still occurs, and yet there is still resistance to one very simple tool that could help eradicate it — voter ID.
Even former liberal Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens agrees. Stevens wrote in a 6-3 majority opinion upholding an Indiana voter ID law: “That flagrant examples of [voter] fraud…have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists…demonstrate[s] that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”
Given the incidence of voter fraud — and the simplicity of requiring voters to present a valid ID in order to be able to vote — it’s not surprising that 70 percent of likely U.S. voters believe that voters “should be required to show photo identification such as a driver’s license before being allowed to cast their ballot,” according to a recent Rasmussen poll. Meanwhile, only 22 percent of Americans are opposed to the requirement.
Despite the fraud — and the support for voter ID measures — Attorney General Eric Holder intends to examine new state voter ID laws for potential racial bias. Von Spakovsky writes that the allegations of bias are baseless, and there is evidence to prove it. In Georgia, which enacted a photo ID law before the 2008 election, the number of African American voters increased after the new law went into effect. “According to Census Bureau surveys,” von Spakovsky writes, “65 percent of the black voting-age population voted in the 2008 election, compared with only 54.4 percent in 2004, an increase of more than ten percentage points.”
...the number of people who don’t already have a photo ID is incredibly small. An American University survey in Maryland, Indiana, and Mississippi found that less than one-half of 1 percent of registered voters lacked a government-issued ID, and a 2006 survey of more than 36,000 voters found that only “23 people in the entire sample–less than one-tenth of one percent of reported voters” were unable to vote because of an ID requirement. What about those who don’t have photo IDs? Von Spakovsky notes that “every state that has passed a voter ID law has also ensured that the very small percentage of individuals who do not have a photo ID can easily obtain one for free if they cannot afford one.”
The American people value the integrity of their elections, and they overwhelmingly support voter ID requirements to make sure that Election Day is as fair, honest, and legal as possible. Still, though, there is resistance and predictions of massive disenfranchisement if voter ID laws continue to be implemented. The evidence, however, proves otherwise.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/01/04/...lection-fraud/
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03-15-2012, 21:21
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True:
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Originally Posted by PRB
If one has a Country that knows it has multi millions of illegal aliens then it would seem prudent to have some type of verifiable ID.
54 years ago we did not have the illegal alien issue.
Having millions of possible fraudulant voters disenfranchises every legal American voter.
54 years ago picture ID's were not the norm.
Today, picture ID's are required for the most basic of activities...air/train travel..a driver license, check cashing etc.
Arguments that requiring a picture ID is some unusual request are still living 54 years ago.
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Then came Ted Kennedy with his changes to the immigration act. He decided we had too many from Europe. No more. So we have what you see now plus illegals out the ass. Granted we had presidents who gave cubans, viets, and others citizenship.
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03-22-2012, 12:00
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Here is some interesting recent research weighing on the issues which offers some chilling reading...
Richard
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Inaccurate, Costly, and Inefficient - Evidence That America’s Voter Registration System Needs an Upgrade
Pew, Feb 2012
Research commissioned by the Pew Center on the States highlights the extent of the challenge:- Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
- More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
- Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
Meanwhile, researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens are unregistered, or more than 24 percent of the eligible population.
(Cont'd) http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/...gistration.pdf
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04-09-2012, 08:41
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Perhaps DOJ will reconsider their position... Naw....
"U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has declared that there is no proof that in-person voter fraud is a problem. He's about to see proof that even he can't deny."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-Holder-Ballot
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04-09-2012, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Stargazer
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They're pulling out all the stops. We ain't seen nothin' yet, either.
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04-09-2012, 11:19
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This administration and the positions they are taking on "common sense" matters is beginning to piss me off.
I cannot open a bank account without ID. I cannot buy a firearm without an ID. As a matter of fact through your daily life you need ID for numerous things, yet people can simply vote without any proof of who they are or whether or not they are eligible. This is simply outrageous.
I am sick and tired of this crap and to the point where I almost wish someone would burn down D.C so we can start over.
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04-09-2012, 11:42
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C'mon. You can't expect a felon or an illegal alien to be required to present identification prior to voting, can you?
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