Male Nurse Fired in Dearborn for Treating Muslim Women

[Sparty On]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

I wrote 'liberal, tolerant and peaceful Islam', not Muslims. We have heard this worn out apology for Islam before. I know 'liberal, tolerant and peaceful' Muslims, therefore Islam must be liberal, tolerant and peaceful. So, when you have preached the gospel at the supposedly inclusive Arab International Festival in Dearborn you have not received a similar reaction from the crowd?

In my mind, it goes like this: "I know liberal, tolerant, and peaceful muslims, therefore I judge them to be liberal, tolerant and peaceful muslims." I don't ascribe the liberal/tolerant/peaceful tag to all muslims, though. Doing that would be naive.

I judge people on their individual merits, not whatever group(s) they belong to. For example, I know some really dumb Marines, but I don't conclude that all marines are dumb. There's a word for this, but it escapes me right now.

I'm curious about this 'anti-islam Christian' group. Do you have any more information on this incident? If it is like the other incidents, all one has to do to 'start a fight' at the Arab International Festival is stand in one place and preach the gospel. The fight will come to you.

It was reported by my local news station at the time.

YouTube spits out a bunch of videos if you enter "arab american festival 2011 dearborn" in the search box. I'm not wild about YouTube because you never know if the videos have been edited and if so, how they've been edited.

I will say this though: The festival is just like any summer street carnival in Anytown, USA. There's rides, food/drink, games, arts & crafts, live music, and the occasional fight. The only difference is that this one is in the middle of an arabic neighborhood post-9/11 and it was more peaceful than the 2010 carnival in Westland, where some loser shot a guy in the leg over a spilt corndog.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Sparty On

I will say this though: The festival is just like any summer street carnival in Anytown, USA. There's rides, food/drink, games, arts & crafts, live music, and the occasional fight. The only difference is that this one is in the middle of an arabic neighborhood post-9/11 and it was more peaceful than the 2010 carnival in Westland, where some loser shot a guy in the leg over a spilt corndog.

Do they serve chocolate covered bacon at the festival?

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Mills

Agreed. I think we are really going to be in trouble if we continue to let this new "cater to everyone" attitude take over this county.

Sometimes, people just need to be to told to shut up, put on their helmet and get on with life........or move.

Very well said. Simple, straightforward, and to the point. After reading this thread with interest, it seems this is a very good solution to the problem.

(And, if moving, do take some choclate covered bacon with you, it is damn good!)

Holly

[Sparty On]

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

Do they serve chocolate covered bacon at the festival?

Before or after tossing the pigskin?

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Sparty On

Before or after tossing the pigskin?

My comment was only half-joking. There are plenty of examples mentioned in other threads on this forum and in news articles from around the world where incidents have occurred due to the intolerance of the presence of pork by mulsims (yes, I know not every muslim is vehement on this topic).

It there was chocolate-covered bacon (or other popular pork products from typical event vendors) at the festival, perhaps this was:

Originally Posted by Sparty On

just like any summer street carnival in Anytown, USA

If pork was not offered as a food option (or unofficially disallowed) I would have to strongly disagree.

[Sparty On]

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

My comment was only half-joking. There are plenty of examples mentioned in other threads on this forum and in news articles from around the world where incidents have occurred due to the intolerance of the presence of pork by mulsims (yes, I know not every muslim is a vehement on this topic).

It there was chocolate-covered bacon (or other popular pork products from typical event vendors) at the festival, perhaps this was:

If pork was not offered as a food option (or unofficially disallowed) I would have to strongly disagree.

I agree with you -- mine was tongue-in-cheek as well. Drive a few miles and you're picking up a Christmas ham for the best holiday in the world. No big deal.

Note that I'm speaking of Dearborn specifically in this thread. Not the world at large because my experience is local, not international. My opinions only, subject to change.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Sparty On

I agree with you -- mine was tongue-in-cheek as well. Drive a few miles and you're picking up a Christmas ham for the best holiday in the world. No big deal.

Note that I'm speaking of Dearborn specifically in this thread. Not the world at large because my experience is local, not international. My opinions only, subject to change.

I have several patients come through my AO from Dearborn as well - I've seen the whole gamut of religious/cultural practices in muslim women from outspoken matriarchs who are also high-level professionals to women covered from head to toe who won't speak to me.

I think you underestimated the muslim population in Dearborn in your earlier posts. Dearborn has the largest arab muslim population in North America - over 30,000 people and roughly 1/3 of the Dearobrn population (just under 100,000 people). A majority come from Lebanon, Yemen, and Iraq (including many Iraqi refugees). Dearborn has the Islamic Center of America - the largest mosque in the US.

[Cowboy 1968]

But did she say no? And in all hospitals and medical centers I have been in, the Dr.'s orders override all other orders from another nurse or nursing supervisor. In these cases, the Dr.'s order is law.

[alright4u]

Now if any gal wears this "He job" named bubba on or close to her arm, the bubbas I saw were good size. I think Bubba can be the "He job." I just want my cat and wife to snuggle up with. I ain't playing with bubba or his "he job" duties.

Just a smile.

[11Ber]

Originally Posted by Sparty On

In my mind, it goes like this: "I know liberal, tolerant, and peaceful muslims, therefore I judge them to be liberal, tolerant and peaceful muslims." I don't ascribe the liberal/tolerant/peaceful tag to all muslims, though. Doing that would be naive.

I judge people on their individual merits, not whatever group(s) they belong to. For example, I know some really dumb Marines, but I don't conclude that all marines are dumb. There's a word for this, but it escapes me right now.

If you study Islam a little as I did for the 6 months I had an Iraqi Sunni instructor who daily extrapolated on the pure awesomeness of Islam, you will begin to see that there is no area in Islam that allows for one to be "liberal, tolerant, and peaceful". Non-believers will either convert to second class Muslims, pay the jizzya, or die. Period end of conversation. Interpreting the Quran in any way other than what you can read on paper, death to you. Translating the Quran to a language other than Quranic Arabic, death to you. It is not and never will be a peaceful religion. The people that call themselves peaceful Muslims are in fact Kafir and should be treated according to the Quran...DEATH. Lovely beautiful religion idnt it?

As for the Marine example...yes, most Marines are stupid.

DB