DADT repeal

[Dreadnought]

Originally Posted by Richard

And now I know where Dumb and Dumber hang out...MSNBC.

Richard

article

What is your exact contention with the article? There seems to be a lot going on in it.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

What is your exact contention with the article? There seems to be a lot going on in it.

Hey Dreadnought, instead of floating around this site trying to poke long time members and asking Bull Shit questions why don't you make a post where you state you're opinion - and then back it up with links to facts.

So your next post should start something like "I support the main idea of the article because............" followed by links supporting your position.

Or the next time you'll find yourself having to post elsewhere.

[Dreadnought]

Originally Posted by Pete

Hey Dreadnought, instead of floating around this site trying to poke long time members and asking Bull Shit questions why don't you make a post where you state you're opinion - and then back it up with links to facts.

So your next post should start something like "I support the main idea of the article because............" followed by links supporting your position.

Or the next time you'll find yourself having to post elsewhere.

It isn't a bullshit question, it's seeking clarification on a stance, and I'm not trying to poke anybody. I don't know what Richard was specifically referring to when he said his comment, and I did not want to give my opinion on something if he was referring something else, basically.

As far as the article is concerned, I think that the banning of "sodomy" is an archaic aspect of the UCMJ and needs to be done away with, as well as the banning of consensual sex between two armed service members of the same gender, what with the repeal of DADT and all.

There are other issues in the article though, such as the inclusion of bestiality laws, changes to both of them, reception and action by political groups, etc. Wasn't sure what Richard was referring to so I asked for clarification before giving an unwanted or irrelevant opinion.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

It isn't a bullshit question, it's seeking clarification on a stance, and I'm not trying to poke anybody. I don't know what Richard was specifically referring to when he said his comment, and I did not want to give my opinion on something if he was referring something else, basically.

As far as the article is concerned, I think that the banning of "sodomy" is an archaic aspect of the UCMJ and needs to be done away with, as well as the banning of consensual sex between two armed service members of the same gender, what with the repeal of DADT and all.

There are other issues in the article though, such as the inclusion of bestiality laws, changes to both of them, reception and action by political groups, etc. Wasn't sure what Richard was referring to so I asked for clarification before giving an unwanted or irrelevant opinion.

Wrong Answer - go play somewhere else.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Pete

Wrong Answer - go play somewhere else.

I tried to politely tell him that the Helo was coming. I thought he might take the hint and hunker down in a hide until it passed........

Such is life.....

[Horrible]

Originally Posted by Richard

[COLOR="Lime"]And now I know where Dumb and Dumber hang out...MSNBC.

Perhaps an amendment to the article that removes the portions regarding "unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex", and keep the prohibition against sex with animals? It seems to me like that would be a very simple solution.

By the way, I don't think I've ever met anyone in real life who listed the repeal of DADT as their reason for leaving the service.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Horrible

By the way, I don't think I've ever met anyone in real life who listed the repeal of DADT as their reason for leaving the service.

I know several senior NCOs and Officers who said that it was the final step for them in deciding whether to reenlist or not.

It was an indicator of things to come.

TR

[Pete]

Pentagon to extend benefits to gay service spouses

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA75IJ981

"Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says the Pentagon will begin the process to extend health care, housing and other federal benefits to the same-sex spouses of military members as soon as possible.

Wednesday's Supreme Court decision opens the door for married gay couples to get federal benefits................"

OK, Folks, almost there.

Getting close to "special rules for special people".

The last little bit is "How many gays are there in the Military and are they getting promoted at the same rate as non-gays in their MOS and career field?"

To do that they'll add the "GLBT" block to the admin forms. That way they'll be able to run the numbers.

When they do that all you straight people better check the "GLBT" block if you want to be on an equal footing with the GLBT crowd.

[Paragrouper]

I wonder when they'll change 670-1 to accommodate cross-dressing?

[69harley]

Originally Posted by Paragrouper

I wonder when they'll change 670-1 to accommodate cross-dressing?

Do you mean while on duty, like men dressing in female uniforms? I doubt that will ever happen, but who knows.

As for regs prohibiting soldiers from crossdressing on their off time? A buddy of mine is a first sergeant in a non-combat arms unit on Bragg, about half of the company is female and a majority of the company is a minority of some type.

We were talking last weekend (while grilling TS ribs) about the various issues on the company and it was crazy. Crossdressing came up, as their are two guys in his company that are openly, flaming gay and do crossdress. He has had the command lawyers look into it, on their counsel, nothing can be done to them.

On that same subject, well sort of. Another friend of mine in 3rd SFG(A) was telling me that there are two guys in the group that are known as being openly gay and have taken their partners to team and company social events.

This is a crazy time for the military. Will be interesting to see how military history looks back on this period of time.

[Paragrouper]

Originally Posted by 69harley

Do you mean while on duty, like men dressing in female uniforms? I doubt that will ever happen, but who knows.

As for regs prohibiting soldiers from crossdressing on their off time? A buddy of mine is a first sergeant in a non-combat arms unit on Bragg, about half of the company is female and a majority of the company is a minority of some type.

We were talking last weekend (while grilling TS ribs) about the various issues on the company and it was crazy. Crossdressing came up, as their are two guys in his company that are openly, flaming gay and do crossdress. He has had the command lawyers look into it, on their counsel, nothing can be done to them.

On that same subject, well sort of. Another friend of mine in 3rd SFG(A) was telling me that there are two guys in the group that are known as being openly gay and have taken their partners to team and company social events.

This is a crazy time for the military. Will be interesting to see how military history looks back on this period of time.

Okay, seriously, I meant to pink that one.

Sheeesh!

[BKKMAN]

I'm expecting a flood of straight cats from the barracks starting to get "married" to one of their buddies and immediately moving off post drawing dual BAH or even better, applying for on-post housing. This will be on top of the expected LBGT folks taking advantage of the recent SCOTUS ruling...

With no legal ramifications/repercussions as well as little to no stigma attached to being LBGT in the military, the upside to "marrying" your buddy, even if you are both straight, in order to live off post and make more money will certainly draw more than a few folks in...

Mr. and Mr. Joe Snuffy, come on down...

[Mills]

Originally Posted by BKKMAN

I'm expecting a flood of straight cats from the barracks starting to get "married" to one of their buddies and immediately moving off post drawing dual BAH or even better, applying for on-post housing. This will be on top of the expected LBGT folks taking advantage of the recent SCOTUS ruling...

With no legal ramifications/repercussions as well as little to no stigma attached to being LBGT in the military, the upside to "marrying" your buddy, even if you are both straight, in order to live off post and make more money will certainly draw more than a few folks in...

Mr. and Mr. Joe Snuffy, come on down...

Sounds about right. I see the following coming in the not too distant future........

Additional complaints against the system for being discriminatory

Serious issues with the base housing system due to certain families being forced to live near gay or lesbian spouses

Additional sensitivity training across the board

EO complaints through the roof

5 more years.........

[Mills]

Originally Posted by BKKMAN

I'm expecting a flood of straight cats from the barracks starting to get "married" to one of their buddies and immediately moving off post drawing dual BAH or even better, applying for on-post housing. This will be on top of the expected LBGT folks taking advantage of the recent SCOTUS ruling...

With no legal ramifications/repercussions as well as little to no stigma attached to being LBGT in the military, the upside to "marrying" your buddy, even if you are both straight, in order to live off post and make more money will certainly draw more than a few folks in...

Mr. and Mr. Joe Snuffy, come on down...

Sounds about right. I see the following coming in the not too distant future........

Additional complaints against the system for being discriminatory

Serious issues with the base housing system due to certain families being forced to live near gay or lesbian spouses

Additional sensitivity training across the board

EO complaints through the roof

A massive influx of new LGBT troops into federal service in order to chase benefits

Hopefully, we can keep things the same based on which state we choose to live in. However I don't see that happening, I believe that it will only be a matter of time before the USG steps in and forces all states to comply.

5 more years.........

[SF_BHT]

Just got an URGENT MSG from OPM about The DOMA decision. They are running to implement this. Not walking or as they normally do Crawl....... Wish they would get off their fat asses and send me my assignment incentive pay that is over 3 yrs over due with interest. I sure could use that $100,000.00.

They sure do not have their priorities in line.

Hell I guess I should use the system for something good. I should go out and marry one of my former teammates that is disabled, homeless and just living like shit to get him bennifits that the VA or any other government agency will help with.

Hell the VA and SS is trying to screw him....... Knowing my luck some LGBT police would catch us when the girls are running around the house naked and turn us in....... Damn I can never get away with anything..

This country is so fucked up...