Obama planning US trials for Guantanamo detainees

[Hostile0311]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

These are not car thieves or crack dealers, they are lying, murdering, propagandists and recruiters for a cause. They will not be rehabilitated, of rendered less dangerous by incarceration for a given period of time. They are not soldiers, they are not holy warriors, they are not mujihadeen, they are vermin who kill and hide behind women and children while disguised in civilian clothing. They are not entitled to any rights or protections if apprehended as terrorists. IMHO, this makes them saboteurs who can be summarily executed.

Given the gang activity rampant at our institutions, I hardly think we want to see these terrorist scum given the opportunity to proselytize to a captive audience and to pass on their evil, corrosive philosophy and training to their fellow inmates. Most of these pigs have already murdered US or allies in the name of their god.

IMHO, we should dump them into pens of hungry feral hogs, or have the HNs take custody and execute them immediately upon arrival as part of their repatriation. Instead, they will be released after a tropical vacation to attack us again. And this is okay with the Dims.

I guess I just don't get it, and never will.

Color me an unrepentant, unreconstructed, uncivilized sinner.

TR

TR,
Please don't get me wrong, I agree with you.
"First you chop your body up. And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, 'as greedy as a pig.' " Quote by Bricktop from the movie Snatch.
I wonder if there is any truth to this soliloquy? It would be a fitting albeit ironic method of depsatch for these clowns.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

These are not car thieves or crack dealers, they are lying, murdering, propagandists and recruiters for a cause. They will not be rehabilitated, of rendered less dangerous by incarceration for a given period of time. They are not soldiers, they are not holy warriors, they are not mujihadeen, they are vermin who kill and hide behind women and children while disguised in civilian clothing. They are not entitled to any rights or protections if apprehended as terrorists. IMHO, this makes them saboteurs who can be summarily executed.

Given the gang activity rampant at our institutions, I hardly think we want to see these terrorist scum given the opportunity to proselytize to a captive audience and to pass on their evil, corrosive philosophy and training to their fellow inmates. Most of these pigs have already murdered US or allies in the name of their god.

IMHO, we should dump them into pens of hungry feral hogs, or have the HNs take custody and execute them immediately upon arrival as part of their repatriation. Instead, they will be released after a tropical vacation to attack us again. And this is okay with the Dims.

I guess I just don't get it, and never will.

Color me an unrepentant, unreconstructed, uncivilized sinner.

TR

I say your mind set is on the mark.

[JumpinJoe1010]

I thought this news story was timely for this discussion.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483764,00.html

As President Obama pushes for the closure of Guantanamo Bay prison, the debate over where to house the terror detainees being held there is heating up.

An exclusive video of a former Gitmo detainee's martyrdom tape, obtained by FOX News, is a reminder of the concerns that terror suspects — who have been held but released from Guantanamo Bay — are increasingly returning to the fight against the United States and its allies.

Abdallah Ali al-Ajmi was transferred back to his home country of Kuwait after his release from Guantanamo in 2005. Last April he blew himself up in a homicide attack that killed 12 people in Mosul, Iraq.

Al-Ajmi, known in Guantanamo as Detainee 220, made his martyrdom tape before the attack.

"In the name of Allah, most compassionate, most merciful and prayers and peace be upon our Prophet," al-Ajmi says in the video. "I thank Allah, Lord of the Worlds, who freed me from Guantanamo prison and, after we were tortured, connected me with the Islamic State of Iraq [ISI]. And it is the gift of Allah to follow the path of this nation, the ISI."

In the video, translated by the NEFA Foundation, a non-profit that tracks terror groups, al-Ajmi mentions Guantanamo Bay right away. For many jihadists, having served time at Guantanamo is seen as a badge of honor.

Click here to visit the NEFA Foundation Web site.

Al-Ajmi's attack is one of the most well known and well documented cases of an ex-Gitmo detainee returning to the battlefield as a homicide bomber. His video renews concerns of many in the intelligence community of the potential consequences by releasing these prisoners.

Sixty-two detainees released from the U.S. Navy base prison in Cuba are believed to have rejoined the fight, said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell, citing data from December. That's up from 37 as of March 2008, Morrell said.

The new figures come as President-elect Barack Obama issued an executive order last week to close the controversial prison. It's unlikely, however, that the Guantanamo detention facility will be closed anytime soon as Obama weighs what to do with the estimated 250 Al Qaeda, Taliban or other foreign fighter suspects still there.

FOX News' Catherine Herridge and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Sigaba]

Source is here.

Charges dropped vs. suspect in 2000 USS Cole blast

By LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writer Lara Jakes, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 17 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Pentagon's senior judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay dropped charges Thursday against an al-Qaida suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing, upholding President Barack Obama's order to freeze military tribunals there. The charges against suspected al-Qaida bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active Guantanamo war crimes case.

The legal move by Susan J. Crawford, the top legal authority for military trials at Guantanamo, brings all cases into compliance with Obama's Jan. 22 executive order to halt terrorist court proceedings at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being.

"It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said late Thursday night.

The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations.

Obama was expected to meet with families of Cole and 9/11 victims at the White House on Friday afternoon to announce the move.

Seventeen U.S. sailors died on Oct. 12, 2000, when al-Qaida suicide bombers steered an explosives-laden boat into the Cole, a guided-missile destroyer, as it sat in a Yemen port.

The Pentagon last summer charged al-Nashiri, a Saudi Arabian, with "organizing and directing" the bombing and planned to seek the death penalty in the case.

In his Jan. 22 order, Obama promised to shut down the Guantanamo prison within a year. The order also froze all Guantanamo detainee legal cases pending a three-month review as the Obama administration decides where — or whether — to prosecute the suspects who have been held there for years, most without charges.

Two military judges granted Obama's request for a delay in other cases.

But a third military judge, Army Col. James Pohl, defied Obama's order by scheduling a Feb. 9 arraignment for al-Nashiri at Guantanamo. That left the decision on whether to continue to Crawford, whose delay on announcing what she would do prompted widespread concern at the Pentagon that she would refuse to follow orders and allow the court process to continue.

Retired Navy Cmdr. Kirk S. Lippold, the commanding officer of the Cole when it was bombed in Yemen in October 2000, said he will be among family members of Cole and 9/11 victims who are meeting with Obama at the White House on Friday afternoon.

Groups representing victims' families were angered by Obama's order, charging they had waited too long already to see the alleged attackers brought to court.

"I was certainly disappointed with the decision to delay the military commissions process," Lippold, now a defense adviser to Military Families United, said in an interview Thursday night. "We have already waited eight years. Justice delayed is justice denied. We must allow the military commission process to go forward."

Crawford was appointed to her post in 2007 by then-President George W. Bush. She was in the news last month when she said interrogation methods used on one suspect at Guantanamo amounted to torture. The Bush administration had maintained it did not torture.

Last year, al-Nashiri said during a Guantanamo hearing that he confessed to helping plot the Cole bombing only because he was tortured by U.S. interrogators. The CIA has admitted he was among terrorist suspects subjected to waterboarding, which simulates drowning, in 2002 and 2003 while being interrogated in secret CIA prisons.

[Soft Target]

First, the Gov of my wonderful state has offered prison near here. I sent an message telling him that, if his mansion has twelve bedrooms, he should host eleven of them on a rotating basis in his home. No answer.

Second: "Obama was expected to meet with families of Cole and 9/11 victims at the White House on Friday afternoon to announce the move." They should show how they feel about it in public.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations.

This just gets stranger by the day.
Why is "the White House" going to review these cases?"

Either there are things happening here that the American public doesn't need to know, or the current administration has just bowed to terrorists.

Holly

[Patriot007]

Good point Holly, since when does the executive branch have judicial authority over military detainees? I know the President can offer pardons but these detainees haven't even stood trial. Is he now judge and jury as well?

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by Soft Target

First, the Gov of my wonderful state has offered prison near here. I sent an message telling him that, if his mansion has twelve bedrooms, he should host eleven of them on a rotating basis in his home. No answer.

Second: "Obama was expected to meet with families of Cole and 9/11 victims at the White House on Friday afternoon to announce the move." They should show how they feel about it in public.

I know at least one Family declined his invitation to meet.

[Saoirse]

Originally Posted by echoes

This just gets stranger by the day.
Why is "the White House" going to review these cases?"

Holly

Good question, Holly! I, personally, would love an answer to that question. I know that is wishful thinking. I am so incensed right now I cannot even see straight!!!

And why is Barry even inviting the families up to the White House? Why didn't he confer with them when he was making this decision in the first place?

[echoes]

From Robert Gibbs Press Conference discussing the Cole Bombing Victims meeting with Obama.
12:56pm, Friday, Feb. 6th

"The discussion is part of how to move forward. I dont believe the familes have seen...I think the President was thinking, I thought it was important to listen to anything involved in this process."
"Without getting into specifics, the President believed the best course of action was to go though the process of the executive order that was signed."

Typed this word for word from the slimy-looking, (yes, as a woman I find him to look slimy), Robert Gibbs.

Anyone else think that were this man to show up here at PS.com, he would last more than five seconds with the QP's?

Disgusting IMHO.

Holly

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

These are not car thieves or crack dealers, they are lying, murdering, propagandists and recruiters for a cause. They will not be rehabilitated, of rendered less dangerous by incarceration for a given period of time. They are not soldiers, they are not holy warriors, they are not mujihadeen, they are vermin who kill and hide behind women and children while disguised in civilian clothing. They are not entitled to any rights or protections if apprehended as terrorists. IMHO, this makes them saboteurs who can be summarily executed.

Given the gang activity rampant at our institutions, I hardly think we want to see these terrorist scum given the opportunity to proselytize to a captive audience and to pass on their evil, corrosive philosophy and training to their fellow inmates. Most of these pigs have already murdered US or allies in the name of their god.

IMHO, we should dump them into pens of hungry feral hogs, or have the HNs take custody and execute them immediately upon arrival as part of their repatriation. Instead, they will be released after a tropical vacation to attack us again. And this is okay with the Dims.

I guess I just don't get it, and never will.

Color me an unrepentant, unreconstructed, uncivilized sinner.

TR

TR,

You are unrepentant,unreconstructed & a uncivilized sinner and thank God for you because you are. I believe in what you expressed and I say I don't get it either.........

GB TFS

[Snaquebite]

TR Said:

While we have moved toward some efforts to take evidence and to maintain chain of custody, we do not Mirandize, nor provide attorneys for detainees captured during military operations as a US court of law would require.

Cases DISMISSED.

[Trip_Wire (RIP)]

I agree with TR 100%

What a circus trials in the USA will be! They will make OJ's trial look good!

No, I don't understand these actions either. Good reason to take no prisoners.

[Soft Target]

Robert Gibbs is an incredible BOZO!!!!!! No disrespect meant toward the late, great Clown of the same name.

[Saoirse]

I have to wonder.. if these trials take place on US soil, how many of their supporters will show up in front of the court houses? What if those of us that oppose this circus show up enmass in protest? Would the pressure of their presence or, for that matter, protestors presence be considered "jury tampering"? The circus may not just be in the court rooms!

Dismissing those cases is equal to spitting in the families faces, in all of our faces. It enrages me!! I don't mean to rant, I am really trying to hold myself together while I am writing this (it really hits close to home for me), but this is just the tip of the iceberg. I am going to try to hold my emotions in check and hold my tongue now! Thanks for letting me spew!