Second Thoughts on Gays in the Military

[jwt5]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Saw it, looked like a one-sided hatchet job by the reporter, and the troop was trying to get out of a deployment.

I am sure that if they really checked, many of the recent claims are troops trying to get out of the service and their oaths in a non-punitive manner.

TR

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6824206

This hero, Finkenbinder, was in my battalion in B Co. He did the same thing. He wrote a letter to his CO trying to get out of the up coming deployment. The CO said no deal. So Finkenbinder sent the letter to the CG. He was tossed.

But he turned around and "sold" his story of being kicked out due to being gay and that he "wanted to stay and help" to the MSM...

[dave]

i was at campbell when that incident happened with the gay soldier getting killed.

once that happened, guys in the unit were telling the CO they were gay or bi.
since all of the publicity they were out of the army within a week.

i'd say most of them used it as an easy excuse to just get out of their committment.

[82ndtrooper]

Originally Posted by Richard

I remember when the 7th Group Cdr and CSM were doing an unannounced walk through of our billets and found the Jr Medic on Walt Shumate's Team bending some guy from the Svc Bn over the end of a bunk and putting it to him. When told about it, Walt's response was that at least it was his guy who was doing the porking. We all gave Walt a lot of ribbing for that one for a long time!

Richard

Good God!

[Penn]

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,1545463.story

[sf11b_p]

Watching some of the House Armed Services subcommittee discussing this on C-Span today.

Clearly support of eliminating the current policy or any ban on gays is strongly coming from the Democrats.

Elaine Donnelly made some very good points, among them that while a small percentage (I believe 23 percent) of military polled support lifting the ban 69 percent support a ban on gays. That what would be the policy of investigating sexual harassment and misconduct involving homosexuality. Would it follow the guidelines of female against male and vice versa, or would it lay suspicion of intolerance against the accuser.

While the posted LA Times article mentions Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva who is gay and supports eliminating the current policy, it did not mention Sergeant Major USA (Ret) Brian Jones, Ranger and SOC, who supports a ban on gays in the military.

The Democrats didn't hesitate to interrupt or reclaim their time when remarks were being made that didn't go in their favor.

Evidently Rep. Vic Snyder (D-Ark.) believes there is a strong comparison between military showering and co-habitation, and congressional and diplomatic co-habitation and facilities overseas.

http://tank.nationalreview.com/

"Then Truman said something that surprised his listeners and gave them hope that the plight of black people would improve under his presidency: "It is my deep conviction that we have reached a turning point in the long history of our efforts to guarantee a freedom and equality for all our citizens. And when I say all Americans, I mean all Americans."


"Although top white brass, including Army Gen. Omar Bradley, opposed desegregating the armed services — with Bradley declaring that the armed services had no business engaging in "social experiments" — Truman moved ahead.

When the United States left Korea in 1953, most units had desegregated. All had done so by 1965.

Today, the U.S. military is a model of racial integration. Tens of thousands of blacks have made the armed services their careers and have risen to high ranks, with Colin Powell becoming the nation's first black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "


The entire article can be found at

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/edit...icle735675.ece

[Guy]

Originally Posted by WCH

"Then Truman said something that surprised his listeners and gave them hope that the plight of black people would improve under his presidency: "It is my deep conviction that we have reached a turning point in the long history of our efforts to guarantee a freedom and equality for all our citizens. And when I say all Americans, I mean all Americans."

"Although top white brass, including Army Gen. Omar Bradley, opposed desegregating the armed services — with Bradley declaring that the armed services had no business engaging in "social experiments" — Truman moved ahead.

When the United States left Korea in 1953, most units had desegregated. All had done so by 1965.

Today, the U.S. military is a model of racial integration. Tens of thousands of blacks have made the armed services their careers and have risen to high ranks, with Colin Powell becoming the nation's first black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "

The entire article can be found at

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/edit...icle735675.ece

Did you catch this earlier in this thread?

Originally Posted by Guy

I've heard and read the same thing for some time now. I've always countered this theory and/or rhetoric by simply...

Lining several men up from different "ethnic" backgrounds and have people describe them...

Not one time has "GAY!" been mentioned in the description.....

Stay safe.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Guy

Did you catch this earlier in this thread?

Stay safe.

Originally Posted by Guy

Originally Posted by Guy
I've heard and read the same thing for some time now. I've always countered this theory and/or rhetoric by simply...

Lining several men up from different "ethnic" backgrounds and have people describe them...

Not one time has "GAY!" been mentioned in the description......

You are not supposed to notice that, you obviously have not been drinking all of your Kool-Aide....

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

I want to have all those that support gays in the military to be the first to lie side by side with a gay person while they are performing a cutdown and dumping his/her blood into theirs. There are very practical reason why I do not want to see gays on the battlefield nor anywhere else where the threat of human bodily fluids are flying, exchanged, or are likely to be exposed. I believe that I mentioned this before, but I have served with gay troops and did not know it, but I also felt very uneasy about the situation that I did not know it after they had died of AIDS and I had exposed other troops to that threat during times teams were working on perfecting various medical techniques such as performing IVs on one another. I do not accept don't ask don't tell as an omission of that fact means I cannot trust you to be up front and honest with me on anything else. And while we seem to have a SecDef who thinks we need to forget about the big wars and concentrate on asymetric foes and insurgencies I would like to point out that there is no MOS that is not at risk in the theater of operations. That is as simple as I can make it.

[Guy]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

You are not supposed to notice that, you obviously have not been drinking all of your Kool-Aide....

I'm not a Jim Jones follower...