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Old 11-13-2013, 22:36   #571
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Illegal drugs are in people's homes as well.

Can we suspend the Bill of Rights and conduct no-knock, warrantless searches of everyone's home for them too? Should the firearms owners have to prove their innocence under the presumptive guilt of the state?

How about those pesky mattress tag removers?

Unlicensed pets?

Do these idiot politicians not understand the rights this country was built upon?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Old 11-13-2013, 23:03   #572
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They will after a bunch of cops get shot trying to do their dirty work......
I've got a few friends with our local police department and my wife is a dispatcher for them (large department). More than a few have brought up this topic and they all say theirs no way they will be apart of something like that.

I pray they aren't stupid enough to put anything like that into law. I have no doubt it would lead to blood shed.
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:48   #573
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That politician has since backed off from that statement from what I've read, as it caused a hailstorm. He said he was just making a suggestion or something like that.
He should be thrown out of office for even thinking that way. Preferably from the window of his office.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:26   #574
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That politician has since backed off from that statement from what I've read, as it caused a hailstorm. He said he was just making a suggestion or something like that.
The follow up story to that idiot in Swampscott, MA.

The fact that an elected official actually floated this trial ballon is not surprising but is disturbing.

Town Nixes Home Gun Safety Inspection

The town's lawyer said the town would need the homeowner's consent or a valid search warrant with probable cause to inspect for safe gun storage. DUH ! Crack legal work rat there !

Posted by Terry Date (Editor) , November 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM

“At the November 6th, 2013 Board of Selectmen’s meeting, it was requested by Selectman Vice-Chairman Barry Greenfield, through the Board of Selectmen, to Town Counsel that he review the enforceability of Massachusetts General Law Chapter 140, Section 131L regarding the storage of firearms in homes within a locked container, by mechanical lock or safety device based on the concern of children accessing them. Upon review by Town Counsel, the Town would need to obtain either the homeowner’s consent or have a valid search warrant based on probable cause. The Town will not take any further action regarding this law and further reconfirms their support for the laws of our Commonwealth and the rights under the United States Constitution.”

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http://swampscott.patch.com/groups/p...ant-or-consent
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Old 11-14-2013, 16:19   #575
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He should be thrown out of office for even thinking that way. Preferably from the window of his office.
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Old 11-14-2013, 17:03   #576
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Old 11-14-2013, 17:25   #577
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If the moderators add a like button, then also perhaps.....
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:36   #578
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Old 11-17-2013, 14:45   #579
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A quick vid reminding some of us about the difficulty in exercising one's Second Amendment rights in NYC (and other socialist enclaves):

(Purely rhetorical)...

Do criminals go through this process...?????

Then, who are the bureaucrats and political elites actually controlling?

Yup, more feel good, costly and ineffective regulation. Unless, of course, they really want to control the law abiding...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/284278033...uy-sat-on-fnc/

DescriptionOn FNC at 9 p.m.: Will FBN’s John Stossel get his gun? The answer, plus more outrageous regulations on your home, car, business...
DateNov 16, 2013
Duration1:47
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Old 12-01-2013, 22:19   #580
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Isn't ammo metallic?

Not much good having an undetectable gun without undetectable bullets.

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Old 12-01-2013, 22:30   #581
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We should create a ban on undetectable brains - but then Congress would probably exempt themselves...
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:43   #582
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Birds of a feather...water is wet...

A study that supports what many have suggested for some time - passing restrictive firearms laws to control virtually the entire population when only a very small subgroup participates in gun crime - is inefficient and just does not work to control gun crime. Targeting the criminal is a much better approach.

This study did not address whether being a member in good standing of a lawful concealed carry cohort results in substantially less illegal gun violence. I think I know the answer...

Links contained in the story and comments are always interesting.

From the article...

"Overall, the community's five-year homicide rate was 39.7 per 100,000 people, which was still much higher than the averages of other areas of Chicago (14.7 per 100,000). But being a part of that network of co-offenders, essentially just being arrested, raised the rate to by nearly 50 percent, to 55.2 per 100,000. What's more, being in a network with a homicide victim increased the homicide rate by 900 percent, to 554.1 per 100,000.

"You're at a risk for living in this [certain] community, but if you're in the network, your risk is astronomical," Papachristos says. "That rate is beyond epidemic proportion, that's actually scary."



Gun Violence Significantly Increased by Social Interactions
Being arrested and knowing a homicide victim could increase a person's risk by 900 percent

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By ALLIE BIDWELL
November 14, 2013

It turns out that who you know and spend time with may have more of an influence on your risk of becoming a gun homicide victim, than race, age and gang affiliation, according to a new study from a team of sociologists at Yale University.

Andrew Papachristos, an associate professor of sociology at Yale, analyzed police and gun homicide records from 2006 to 2011 for people living in a high-crime neighborhood in Chicago. He found that 41 percent of all gun homicides occurred within a network of less than 4 percent of the neighborhood's population, and that the closer one is connected to a homicide victim, the greater that person's chances were for becoming a victim. Each social tie removed from a homicide victim decreased a person's odds of becoming a victim by 57 percent.

"What the findings essentially tell you is that the people who are most at risk of becoming a victim are sort of surrounded by victims within a few handshakes," Papachristos says. "These are young men who are actively engaged in the behaviors that got them in this network."

The network in question consists of more than 3,700 high-risk individuals – young, African-American males from a poor neighborhood – who were clustered into a network by instances of co-offending, meaning each person in the group had been arrested with another person.

Overall, the community's five-year homicide rate was 39.7 per 100,000 people, which was still much higher than the averages of other areas of Chicago (14.7 per 100,000). But being a part of that network of co-offenders, essentially just being arrested, raised the rate to by nearly 50 percent, to 55.2 per 100,000. What's more, being in a network with a homicide victim increased the homicide rate by 900 percent, to 554.1 per 100,000.

"You're at a risk for living in this [certain] community, but if you're in the network, your risk is astronomical," Papachristos says. "That rate is beyond epidemic proportion, that's actually scary."

Typically, Papachristos says, there are traditional factors that put a person at a higher risk of becoming a victim of gun violence homicide - African-Americans are more likely to be killed than whites; men more likely than women; gang members more likely than non-gang members; and those who come from low-income neighborhoods more likely than affluent individuals.

But even more than any of those factors, Papachristos says, a victim's social network was a better indicator.

"What you see, which is what drives the finding, is precisely that the victims cluster in the network. They're not randomly distributed," Papachristos says. "The opposite, however, is also interesting, which is there are lots of parts of the networks where there aren't any victims."

Papachristos says it makes sense to look at the spread of gun violence like the spread of a disease or an epidemic, comparing it to how people contract HIV. Much like the roles needle sharing and unprotected sex play in the spread of HIV, a person's behaviors and personal associations play a role in the spread of gun violence homicides, he says.

"It's the behavior of sharing needles that puts you at risk for contracting HIV, not simply being poor and black and living in a certain neighborhood," Papachristos says. "The same is true with violence. It's who you hang around with that gets you in trouble."

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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...l-interactions
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Old 12-03-2013, 18:13   #583
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NFL denies pro-gun advertisement during Super Bowl

A gun manfacturer's ad designed for the Super Bowl won't be run during the big game because it doesn't meet the NFL's standards for advertising.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...0020--nfl.html
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Old 12-03-2013, 18:19   #584
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A gun manfacturer's ad designed for the Super Bowl won't be run during the big game because it doesn't meet the NFL's standards for advertising.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...0020--nfl.html
But allowing brutal dog killing convicted felon to play is OK with the NFL.

Yeah all the "real" men should send the NFL a message and not watch the game. I don't watch the National Felon's League anymore.
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Old 12-03-2013, 21:51   #585
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Right on cue, this shows up in an email from a friend:

National Movement to Boycott NFL Launched
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