06-22-2007, 14:53
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Archangel nice gun. I like the Factory Black Finish. I plan on stripping the AR I painted when I return home. I might try Cerakote on just the sights.
Anyone ever try spraying Cerakote on their Guns
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06-22-2007, 16:18
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BUIS back order
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what rear BUIS are you waiting on ?
I attemped this morning to order another set of Troy's and everything is on back order. Not one single sight available.
A.R.M.S is also back ordered for some time.
Nice weapon !! I'd love to hear can sometime.
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06-22-2007, 17:01
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Gave my SPR a diet.
-Replaced the Magpul PRS with a LMT SOPMOD stock
-Replaced the ACOG TA55 with a Super Sniper (I know, I know, but with four kids, a Nightforce will have to wait). I did spend some cash on a case of BH MK262 Mod 1 (range report to follow). 
Waiting on a Lower Profile BUIS because the Super Sniper was too low for the Matech BUIS.
On a good note, I am very happy with the OPS Inc. 12th Model. I thought that I would like the AAC M4-2000 Mod7, but the OPS is now my favorite can. Very quiet and sounds more like some sort of air tool instead of a .22LR (like what the M4-2000 sounds like). |
IMHO, the right optic for an SPR clone, given its effective range, is something in the 3-9x mag area.
What kind of shift are you getting on your zero from can on to can off?
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06-24-2007, 17:07
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IMHO, the right optic for an SPR clone, given its effective range, is something in the 3-9x mag area.
What kind of shift are you getting on your zero from can on to can off?
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With the can off, the POI ins 2" to the 7 O'clock position at 100 yards. It is pretty consistent regardless of how many times I take it on or off. The weapon is zeroed with the can on. I agree with the optic choice, but I am limited financially at this time. I will end up with the NF somepoint down the road.
82ndtrooper, I was waiting on the new ARMS low profile because it is on back order. I would like to use the Troy BUIS as the front sight is Troy, but I'm not sure if it's low enough. I like the PRI and might go with that.
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06-24-2007, 17:13
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With the can off, the POI ins 2" to the 7 O'clock position at 100 yards. It is pretty consistent regardless of how many times I take it on or off. The weapon is zeroed with the can on. I agree with the optic choice, but I am limited financially at this time. I will end up with the NF somepoint down the road.
82ndtrooper, I was waiting on the new ARMS low profile because it is on back order. I would like to use the Troy BUIS as the front sight is Troy, but I'm not sure if it's low enough. I like the PRI and might go with that.
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Interesting.
My SureFires shift less than 1/2 moa, if at all, and accuracy is better with it on.
I like the Leupy MR/T or TS-22 that was designed for the SPR. I like the SuperSnipers okay, but the glass lacks the clarity of the mopre expensive optics and the things are very heavy for a rifle if you have to hump it.
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06-24-2007, 21:55
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Interesting.
My SureFires shift less than 1/2 moa, if at all, and accuracy is better with it on.
I like the Leupy MR/T or TS-22 that was designed for the SPR. I like the SuperSnipers okay, but the glass lacks the clarity of the mopre expensive optics and the things are very heavy for a rifle if you have to hump it.
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Interesting. Most cans for the .223 seem to have a POI shift of at least 1"-2" and Gemtech has a 4" shift (Crappy Can) At least on the rifle that I fired it from which was a Bushy with a 10.5" barrel. SWR's Spec War II suppressor is heavy but it's the only one that I can say has little if any shift in POI attached to the weapon. It's downfall is it's weight, but it's quite and probably performs as your Surefire does.
I do not puport to know the technology involved, but I would think that a suppressor worth it's salt would forge a bit more velocity ? Propellant gasses are trapped and displaced in a such manner as to push the bullet a bit more than an open barrel ? Or not ?
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06-25-2007, 00:22
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Interesting. Most cans for the .223 seem to have a POI shift of at least 1"-2" and Gemtech has a 4" shift (Crappy Can) At least on the rifle that I fired it from which was a Bushy with a 10.5" barrel. SWR's Spec War II suppressor is heavy but it's the only one that I can say has little if any shift in POI attached to the weapon. It's downfall is it's weight, but it's quite and probably performs as your Surefire does.
I do not puport to know the technology involved, but I would think that a suppressor worth it's salt would forge a bit more velocity ? Propellant gasses are trapped and displaced in a such manner as to push the bullet a bit more than an open barrel ? Or not ?
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I have the SureFire long 5.56 adaptors on four rifles and the shorty 5.56 on one, and none of them shift much over 1/2 MOA, on or off. The 7.62 can works the same. I can cut a group near 1/2 MOA with the can on and factory ammo, as others here have seen, and 1/2 MOA is all I can get out of the Remington or Federal 168 GM.
I have fired these suppressors till they would glow beyond orange, and they still shoot just fine (minus the exterior paint). A full 200 round ammo pack in fast bursts through an M-249 SAW with the can on and bullets were still cutting the same ragged hole. SureFire cut a 5.56 can down with over 30,000 rounds through it and there was no appreciable wear. No one knows what the life span might be, but based on my experience, it exceeds several barrels.
Neatest thing is the easy set-up on any weapon with a common threaded flash suppressor and the requisite barrel length, and the easy install and removal with the ratcheting latch. If the can is not too hot to hold, I can install or remove one in less time than it takes to read this sentence.
The velocity increase is a good generalization, but experimentation has shown that it varies with the load and barrel length.
HTH.
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06-25-2007, 15:02
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Max effective range
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I have the SureFire long 5.56 adaptors on four rifles and the shorty 5.56 on one, and none of them shift much over 1/2 MOA, on or off. The 7.62 can works the same. I can cut a group near 1/2 MOA with the can on and factory ammo, as others here have seen, and 1/2 MOA is all I can get out of the Remington or Federal 168 GM.
I have fired these suppressors till they would glow beyond orange, and they still shoot just fine (minus the exterior paint). A full 200 round ammo pack in fast bursts through an M-249 SAW with the can on and bullets were still cutting the same ragged hole. SureFire cut a 5.56 can down with over 30,000 rounds through it and there was no appreciable wear. No one knows what the life span might be, but based on my experience, it exceeds several barrels.
Neatest thing is the easy set-up on any weapon with a common threaded flash suppressor and the requisite barrel length, and the easy install and removal with the ratcheting latch. If the can is not too hot to hold, I can install or remove one in less time than it takes to read this sentence.
The velocity increase is a good generalization, but experimentation has shown that it varies with the load and barrel length.
HTH.
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Interesting choice of the 168 grain. The reason I say this is that genereally the conventional wisdom would dictate a heavier round, assuming you are attempting to achieve both *Sound reduction* and *Max effective* range with the 7.62 genre. I'm going to take a stab and assume that the 168 grain is a comprimise from lighter to heavier yet still achieving an acceptable level of sound reduction and effective range. Since my experience with suppressors is largely with pistol calibers, I will only load sub-sonic bullets for suppressed shooting. However, I am seeking the most quite sound signature possible, not necessarily concerned with what happens to the bullet in flight or that my max effective range may be dampened by the use of a suppressor. After all, pistols are only used at 25-50 meters, if that.
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06-25-2007, 16:39
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Interesting choice of the 168 grain. The reason I say this is that genereally the conventional wisdom would dictate a heavier round, assuming you are attempting to achieve both *Sound reduction* and *Max effective* range with the 7.62 genre. I'm going to take a stab and assume that the 168 grain is a comprimise from lighter to heavier yet still achieving an acceptable level of sound reduction and effective range. Since my experience with suppressors is largely with pistol calibers, I will only load sub-sonic bullets for suppressed shooting. However, I am seeking the most quite sound signature possible, not necessarily concerned with what happens to the bullet in flight or that my max effective range may be dampened by the use of a suppressor. After all, pistols are only used at 25-50 meters, if that.
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Last time we shot subsonic through a 7.62 SureFire can, you could hear the sear break and the firing pin strike. If you want to get true sound comparisons, you are going to need to shoot on a flat range, with no overhead or side berms.
If you have the ability to do so safely, you can get a very effective comparison from behind downrange berms as the weapon is fired by the side or overhead, but proper coordination for safety is paramount.
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07-14-2007, 16:42
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The green M4 is a Bushmaster. The Tan M4 has an Armalite lower and Olympic upper. Both have Colt Bolt and Bolt carriers. All off the rail covers and grips are Tango Down. Put 500 rounds thru each one for an endurance test after assembly. Only experienced two half feeds due to a dry weapon.
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07-14-2007, 17:53
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Last time we shot subsonic through a 7.62 SureFire can, you could hear the sear break and the firing pin strike. If you want to get true sound comparisons, you are going to need to shoot on a flat range, with no overhead or side berms.
If you have the ability to do so safely, you can get a very effective comparison from behind downrange berms as the weapon is fired by the side or overhead, but proper coordination for safety is paramount.
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With a suppressor and subsonic ammo, it is really amazing at what you do hear, that you never have heard before.
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07-14-2007, 18:42
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The green M4 is a Bushmaster. The Tan M4 has an Armalite lower and Olympic upper. Both have Colt Bolt and Bolt carriers. All off the rail covers and grips are Tango Down. Put 500 rounds thru each one for an endurance test after assembly. Only experienced two half feeds due to a dry weapon.
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Nice looking weapons. How do you like your PMAGs? Any problems? My first three just arrived and I have only fired a couple of hunded rounds through them so far.
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07-14-2007, 22:08
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The green M4 is a Bushmaster. The Tan M4 has an Armalite lower and Olympic upper. Both have Colt Bolt and Bolt carriers. All off the rail covers and grips are Tango Down. Put 500 rounds thru each one for an endurance test after assembly. Only experienced two half feeds due to a dry weapon.
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Nice weapons and nice paint work on the Aimpoint!
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07-15-2007, 12:07
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Nice looking weapons. How do you like your PMAGs? Any problems? My first three just arrived and I have only fired a couple of hunded rounds through them so far.
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The P-Mags are tougher then I thought. I only fired about 120 rounds thru each one. No problems.
The Aimpoint is the only part I painted. Will be redoing it in Carakote here shortly.
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07-15-2007, 14:28
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Here is the sight done in Cerakote
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