Wuhan Coronavirus

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Penn

ABC123

Russian, China, and Iran in less than a week present a direct threat, arguably coordinated, while also holding a duplicity of deniability. Two of the actions include the acceptance for the loss of life. Those incidents where loss of life is recorded occur in china as a deniable byproduct of zoonotic transfer in an outdoor market, covering the actual intent of releasing a 2nd novel virus with pandemic potential.

The 2nd virus corrected the deficiencies that the 1st SARS virus lacked. Released in Wuhan, layers the plausible denial for China’s leaders to argue, and later to lay elsewhere. The concept of state sponsored genocide is unthinkable for the West, but not for China. The strategy embraces the risk of unimageable loss of life, the goal to humble and hallow out America’s ability to defend/react, while China holds hostage the entire American/world financial system, offering the opportunity to complete China’s long term goal of reincorporating its ancestral rouge territories: Hong Kong Taiwan; consolidate influence and expansion in SEA locally and the whole of the Pacific generally.

Russia has similar interest looking west, where Russia goal is to control all of western & Central Europe via energy. While Iran plays the linchpin where Russia, China and Iran engage America in a war of attrition in the unresolvable ME, impacting the political situation in America’s primary Presidential election year.

Maximum pressure campaign by three ideologically aligned state actors. All possess mutual interest and seek Regional hegemony.

Their actions taken separately and together, painted with a broad-brush stroke, engage the Trump Administration by capitalizing on and encouraging through surrogates, the continued domestic political discord.

This is not a product of happenstance or coincidence. It is not by chance that Russia decides to up the ante to gauge response by flying a routine mission into AM/CA airspace, while the Administration is confronting pandemic hysteria and the accusation by China that America is responsible for the virus, mixed that opaque color with the MSM Propaganda charging incompetence and uncertainty, while Iran reenters the mix by attacking and killing Americans, a Red line crossed, confirming Iran also is willingly prepared for the loss of life in pursuit of its Regional ambition, is not accidentals.

Imo, this is not by chance, but by mutual interest that China, Russia, and Iran act, if not by formal verbal mutual consent and agreement, (Obama/Putin) but by understanding political opportunity, these three have capitalized with the understand that the enemy of my enemy is my friend philosophy.

Further, I suspect and have no faith that Kerry on his trip to Iran, acted in America’s best interest. Possibly encouraging these events, by explaining the possible outcome that would be mutually beneficial if Trump was not reelected in 2020.

While I strongly agree with the premise that Russia wants to control Western Europe with energy(based on the following):

Early 80’s energy pipeline deal smashed by Reagan

Western Europe pushing hard for Libya intervention to diversify supply

Russia/Turkey nexus(unthinkable years ago) to monopolise EU access to energy out of Central Asia.

BUT, the implosion of OPEC and collapse of energy prices puts Russia at risk in the same way the Oil Glut of the 80’s directly contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union a few years later.

Russia is utterly dependent on oil export revenue(higher energy prices) to maintain power.

The same applies to Iran.

China wants/needs cheap energy to keep the machine going.

I think that’s where their key economic interests diverge significantly.

If China lost a few hundred million old folks it would rebalance the artificial lump of old people in the demographic chart from long term one-child policy.

But it would eliminate a lot of energy consumers as well.

Common enemies align, but incongruent economic interests disrupt.

Perhaps there is another “only Nixon could go to China” moment in the next few years.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by 7624U

A: Bear's are waking up from hybridization and we all know what they do in the woods.

Lol Sir!

Hope this the the spot to put this thought, but am going to give a huge Thank You right now to all QP's over the years here for the incredible wisdom in threads like Be Prepared!

While other's are fighting at the stores and in panic mode over Covid19, those of us fortunate enough to have access to this site are prepared and have plenty of gloves, sanitizers, paper goods, canned good, batteries, hydration etc... (Alcoholic beverages included for some.)

Shout Out to PS for allowing us regular folks to have access to your intelligence to learn from.

Know am not the only one who feels this way.

Ok, back to the Wuhan Virus latest..


Holly

[InTheBlack]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

It's my understanding that fortunately ventilation (co2) isn't the issue, it's just profound hypoxemic respiratory failure. The ones who require ventilatory support are on for at least 20-30 days.

I want to learn more about the topic of ventilation. I take it that a ventilator is a device that uses a source of pressurized air (possibly oxygen enriched) and either a trach tube or close fitting mask to reduce the effort of breathing.

In the worst case situation of no hospital available, can a "disposable" ventilator be hooked up to something like a high-enough pressure oxygen concentrator to do the job? Obviously the pump must be oil-free & filtered; you can't hook up to your Craftsman air tool compressor.

[T-Rock]

I want to learn more about the topic of ventilation.

Probably the most widely read book by Therapists. It covers the vent questions you have and the aerosol questions earlier in the thread that you had:
> https://www.amazon.com/Egans-Fundame.../dp/0323341365


Sorry for the sidetrack......

[InTheBlack]

Article lists several independant observations:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/healt...ead/index.html

One calculates 2-3 days before symptoms show.

Also France urges not to use anti-inflammatory type fever reducers. Recommends Acetaminophen.

[T-Rock]

If you work with Vents, here's some good info if your facility gets overrun. How to ventilate multiple patients with one ventilator, good stuff:
https://youtu.be/uClq978oohY

[7624U]

Originally Posted by echoes

Lol Sir!

Hope this the the spot to put this thought, but am going to give a huge Thank You right now to all QP's over the years here for the incredible wisdom in threads like Be Prepared!

While other's are fighting at the stores and in panic mode over Covid19, those of us fortunate enough to have access to this site are prepared and have plenty of gloves, sanitizers, paper goods, canned good, batteries, hydration etc... (Alcoholic beverages included for some.)

Shout Out to PS for allowing us regular folks to have access to your intelligence to learn from.

Know am not the only one who feels this way.

Ok, back to the Wuhan Virus latest..


Holly

Kind of you holly,

Most of us regulars on the forum take for granted being prepared for most situations because it is a way of life. We have built in resistance to mental and physical discomfort or coming up with novel solutions to a problem because we have had to deal with life in other countries that do not have convenience of shopping anytime you want or even clean water like here in the USA.

Unfortunately that is not the norm for the rest of the population, Any disruption turns into madness and stress.

Simple things to lower that stress, are planting a garden like our grandparents did even a very small one.

Air 3 min, hypothermia 3 hours, water 2-3 days, food 3 weeks, Most emergencies pass or civilization has fallen apart in 3 months. general rules but not always the case.

3 months is ironically about the time it takes for a major food crop to be available from sowing in the ground to store front for world populations in the right circumstances.

MOD's feel free to move this post to Field craft

[echoes]

Originally Posted by 7624U

Kind of you holly,

Most of us regulars on the forum take for granted being prepared for most situations because it is a way of life. We have built in resistance to mental and physical discomfort or coming up with novel solutions to a problem because we have had to deal with life in other countries that do not have convenience of shopping anytime you want or even clean water like here in the USA.

Unfortunately that is not the norm for the rest of the population, Any disruption turns into madness and stress.

Simple things to lower that stress, are planting a garden like our grandparents did even a very small one.

Air 3 min, hypothermia 3 hours, water 2-3 days, food 3 weeks, Most emergencies pass or civilization has fallen apart in 3 months. general rules but not always the case.

3 months is ironically about the time it takes for a major food crop to be available from sowing in the ground to store front for world populations in the right circumstances.

MOD's feel free to move this post to Field craft

QP's are resiliency in action, IMHO.

This Wuhan virus thread contains many course corrections in it, as it is a very fluid situation right now IMHO???

Heck, my bro just flew in from a pre planned trip from Egypt via London, Canada, MN, on Friday night.

Should we still have our family gathering here at the house with steaks and Ham?

We are saying yes. We are prepared. Not fearful.

Edit to add: The government is saying to trust in them for treating and results via a telephone call...from them. Hmmmm. Just does not seem very amenable.


Holly

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by echoes

Should we still have our family gathering here at the house with steaks and Ham?

Shouldn't that be in pink font?

[InTheBlack]

Originally Posted by echoes

Should we still have our family gathering here at the house with steaks and Ham?

We are saying yes. We are prepared. Not fearful.

No, he should self quarantine. And everyone he has had close contact with. How exactly are you prepared to avoid infection if he is in that 2-3 day period when he may be infectious before being symptomatic?

[InTheBlack]

Pre-emptive low cost social distancing and enhanced hygiene implemented before local COVID-19 transmission could decrease the number and severity of cases.
Dalton 5MAR20

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3549276

The use of masks outside of health settings is controversial and it is important that masks not be diverted from health care supplies.

However, surgical masks are protective of large droplet spread and have approximately half the effectiveness of N95 mask for small droplet transmission, and are suggested to be cost saving in some modelled pandemic influenza scenarios. NOTE 20

They may have a limited role in the community setting prior to widespread transmission if there are adequate supplies and should be considered for use in households caring for COVID-19 cases at home. NOTE 16

16. Wein LM, Atkinson MP. Assessing infection control measures for pandemic influenza. Risk Anal. 2009;29:949–962.

20. Mukerji S, MacIntyre CR, Newall AT. Review of economic evaluations of mask and respirator use for protection against respiratory infection transmission. BMC Infect Dis. 2015;15:413. Published 2015 Oct 13. doi:10.1186/s12879-015-1167-6.

[doctom54]

Originally Posted by doctom54

Italy is getting slammed and the entire medical community is now doing triage.
Truly amazing!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...al-bed/607807/

I hope it turns out well!

Now at 25,000 cases and 1,800 deaths in Italy.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by doctom54

Now at 25,000 cases and 1,800 deaths in Italy.

on the flip...

Ohio governor destroys 10,000,000 jobs for 37 sick people.
Most of which are not covered by unemployment insurance.
Food riots to start next week.

Gov. DeWine announces closure of Ohio bars, dine-in restaurants

Published: 03/15/20 03:27 pm EDT
Updated: 03/15/20 09:16 pm EDT

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine will be issuing an order to close all bars and restaurants Sunday night at 9 p.m. to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

https://www.10tv.com/article/gov-dew...rants-2020-mar

[bblhead672]

Extreme government over-reaction seems to be the uniform of the day...followed by sheeple over-reaction.

Meanwhile..this is such a major event that the CDC takes the weekends off from posting updated numbers of cases/deaths. Seems to me that if it were really as bad as it's being made out to be that updates would be posted more frequently than noon on Monday-Friday.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by bblhead672

Extreme government over-reaction seems to be the uniform of the day...followed by sheeple over-reaction.

Meanwhile..this is such a major event that the CDC takes the weekends off from posting updated numbers of cases/deaths. Seems to me that if it were really as bad as it's being made out to be that updates would be posted more frequently than noon on Monday-Friday.

Yes, typically local sources are actually more timely I don't even live there & heard about WY's 3rd case from a friend overnight.

Also, CDC is located in Atlanta. Wonder how much "telework" is going on there.