05-07-2011, 07:27
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Anyone find it ironic that the President who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize gave the order (or is believed to have given the order) to put a bullet into bin Laden's head? I mean, yeah, that's a way to make peace, but not the way the Nobel committee thinks of it  |
I believe that he's also athorized the launch of more cruise missiles than any other Nobel Peace Prize winner (possibly all others combined), but I could be mistaken. 
I know it's been discussed elsewhere, but by awarding BHO a Nobel Peace Prize, the committee has devalued the work done by the other, deserving, winners.
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05-07-2011, 07:56
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Well...some deserving some not...Yassar Arafat??? Maybe he did some good, but he did it before his winning...not what he "may" do
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05-07-2011, 07:58
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Well...some deserving some not...Yasar Arafat???
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I never said all of them. Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela are 2 examples.
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05-07-2011, 08:00
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I believe that he's also athorized the launch of more cruise missiles than any other Nobel Peace Prize winner (possibly all others combined), but I could be mistaken.
I know it's been discussed elsewhere, but by awarding BHO a Nobel Peace Prize, the committee has devalued the work done by the other, deserving, winners. |
eeehhhh.....
ETA: just yankin your chain...no offense
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05-07-2011, 11:15
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CRS Report on Bin Laden's death
...No CRS in this case does not mean "Can't Remember S&*^" 
For those of you unfamiliar "Congressional Research Service" under the Library of Congress.
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CRS serves the Congress throughout the legislative process by providing comprehensive and reliable legislative research and analysis that are timely, objective, authoritative, and confidential, thereby contributing to an informed national legislature.
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The coordinator is John Rollins:
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Professor Rollins is a member of the Congressional Research Service (CRS), a branch of the Library of Congress, and serves as a Specialist in Terrorism, International Crime, Intelligence, and Homeland Security. Prior to joining CRS, Mr. Rollins was the Chief of Staff of the Office of Intelligence for the Department of Homeland Security. Mr. Rollins' career includes a variety of analytic, legal, and management positions in the U.S. Army, FBI, CIA, DIA , U.S. Marine Corps, 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force), and the United Nations. Mr. Rollins is a licensed attorney and graduate of the Senior Executive Fellowship program, Harvard University.
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05-07-2011, 12:34
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Here come the stupids...
Here's my guess as to why they changed the story from it initially being a kill mission to it being a capture or kill mission. If this "inquiry" is as effective as anything else that the UN does then the President has little to worry about.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...Cr=terror&Cr1=
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05-07-2011, 17:15
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Muslim men are only allowed to take up to four wives correct? Hasn't OBL got five? Isn't that against Islamic laws?
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05-07-2011, 17:20
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Muslim men are only allowed to take up to four wives correct? Hasn't OBL got five? Isn't that against Islamic laws?
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probably so...but we infidels aren't allowed to question...so..mute point to them.
Sort of like being on a plane with some ME women, as soon as you cross "the line" out come the party dresses...go figure..
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05-08-2011, 02:13
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...tes-terrorist/
Dog Bites Terrorist
James S. Robbins
Published on May 6, 2011
Working through contacts I managed to land an interview with the military working dog that accompanied the special operations forces during the raid on Osama bin Laden. The ground rules were that I could not mention his name or handler, but he told me to call him “Geronimo” because, as he explained, “Dogs appreciate irony.”
TWT: First let me congratulate you on the mission, the country is extremely proud of what you and the rest of the team accomplished.
Geronimo: Thank you.
TWT: I think a lot of Americans were surprised to learn a dog was along on the mission.
Geronimo: They shouldn’t be, military working dogs are serving all over the world, detecting IEDs, tracking down the enemy, we even get into some close quarters situations sometimes.
TWT: Like the raid on bin Laden in Abbottabad for example.
Geronimo: Yes, definitely. I can’t go into too much about what my role was in that mission but it was up close and personal for sure. Let me just say it’s going to take a lot of dog food to get the taste of that guy out of my mouth.
TWT: Was there anything you saw or sensed that the human members of the team might have missed?
Geronimo: Probably, I do a lot of work with scent trails. There were about six people in the house when we hit it but there was scent evidence of a lot more coming and going. I’d recognize them again if we came across them, just from the smell. And if you think there weren't tracks leading towards that Pakistan military academy down the road, think again my friend.
TWT: Do you have anything to say about the way the White House handled the public relations regarding the takedown operation?
Geronimo: I try to stay out of politics. Chain of command, that sort of thing. Yet I can’t help but think the higher ups hosed it up. Just lots of loose talk, lots of ego from people who never risked their biscuit. Seriously, these politicos are trying to make like they are bulldogs but they are coming off like a yapping pack of poodles. We handed a brilliant tactical victory to these bichons and they really screwed the pooch.
TWT: Would you say you are a hero?
Geronimo: No, I was just doing my job, like everyone else. It’s what we are trained to do. There are dogs in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places doing things at least as dangerous as the bin Laden mission if not more so. I have friends – well, had friends – over the years who didn’t make it back. You’ll never see their names on a wall. I keep hearing about a memorial planned for us but we’re happy to just get a pat on the head. And it’s better than it used to be, do you know that up until 2000 they used to euthanize us as “surplus equipment?” Stuff of nightmares, man.
TWT: Are you staying in the military?
Geronimo: Well I have thirty years in – that’s about four and a half in human years – so I could retire now with a nice pension, but I feel like I’d be letting my guys down. You know that old saying about “Man’s best friend?” Sounds corny, brother, but it’s true.
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05-08-2011, 06:38
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I heard on the WSJ this morning that they are going to "triple" the military budget for Special Operations Forces in 2012 ........... They claim their justification in doing this is it's the best way to go after the top terrorists because if the "snakes head is cut off they are not as willing to continue" ......... Not my words but the feedback their reporter got from an interview with General Boykin!... 
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05-08-2011, 07:07
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[url]"I try to stay out of politics. Chain of command, that sort of thing. Yet I can’t help but think the higher ups hosed it up. Just lots of loose talk, lots of ego from people who never risked their biscuit. Seriously, these politicos are trying to make like they are bulldogs but they are coming off like a yapping pack of poodles. We handed a brilliant tactical victory to these bichons and they really screwed the pooch."
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An apt description.
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05-08-2011, 08:52
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I heard on the WSJ this morning that they are going to "triple" the military budget for Special Operations Forces in 2012 ........... They claim their justification in doing this is it's the best way to go after the top terrorists because if the "snakes head is cut off they are not as willing to continue" ......... Not my words but the feedback their reporter got from an interview with General Boykin!...
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That must be some other part of SOF, because in Army SOF, they are looking at cutting budgets, letting contractors go, and eliminating a significant percentage of the civilian employees. We currently have a hiring freeze and most departing civilians are not replaced.
My understanding was that USSOCOM was also making a number of cuts in personnel and programs.
Hmm.
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05-08-2011, 09:40
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I heard on the WSJ this morning that they are going to "triple" the military budget for Special Operations Forces in 2012 ........... They claim their justification in doing this is it's the best way to go after the top terrorists because if the "snakes head is cut off they are not as willing to continue" ......... Not my words but the feedback their reporter got from an interview with General Boykin!...
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Like TR said.. I don't believe it. ARSOF won't see any of it. If anything, only JSOC will get a budget increase.
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05-08-2011, 14:46
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Like TR said.. I don't believe it. ARSOF won't see any of it. If anything, only JSOC will get a budget increase.
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I concur,
As we've always done, we've been providing much more bang for the buck, when compared to other Army organizations, while taking out enemy leadership for quite some time. Under this administration I believe "at best" our budgets will perhaps rise back to past levels but, not beyond....jd
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05-08-2011, 18:02
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Trippling the "SOF" budget would give the SEALs the extra Virginia Class Subs and latest generation SDVs they've been politicing for. After all - didn't they just prove they're worth it? Even if true - it isn't going to do a damn thing for SF. Too many platforms to maintain/purchase (what did the helo they just lost cost?) and every "Black" program costs astronomically more than an equivalent "White" program. Be a lot of happy congresscritters though as NAVSOC, AFSOC, and ARSOF Aviation spend money like water on jobs programs in their districts.
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