11-05-2012, 17:56
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By the way, anyone see that late breaking news from CBS's "60 Minutes" that they just released last night? CBS had cut this portion of the tape when it was aired but is now making this public two days before the election.
It basically shows the President lied in the debate where he claimed he told people it was terrorism. This part of the tape that had been withheld by CBS shows POTUS saying on Sept 12, "regarding terrorism, it's too early to know."
Can we find a way to start indicting the idiots in the press as this would've clearly put to rest the false narrative the Administration was putting out?
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11-05-2012, 18:15
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I am hoping that this is a race like the Wisconsin recall race for Scott Walker, where the polls made it look like it would be very close, and then Walker won by a sizeable margin.
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Or Reagan/Carter. If I remember, RR won 47 states.
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11-05-2012, 18:16
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I'm already voting for Ron Paul.
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What state has him on the ballot?
And to all you "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Obama"...not in states like Texas or California. Now if you are in Ohio or Colorado please vote Romney!!!
This two party system and the electoral college "winner take the whole state" procsess sucks and always picking the "lesser of two evils" is no way to run the greatest country in the history of the world!
Gary Johnson got my vote, a week ago!!!
(but I also voted for Ted Cruz)
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11-05-2012, 18:23
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What state has him on the ballot?
And to all you "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Obama"...not in states like Texas or California. Now if you are in Ohio or Colorado please vote Romney!!!
This two party system and the electoral college "winner take the whole state" procsess sucks and always picking the "lesser of two evils" is no way to run the greatest country in the history of the world!
Gary Johnson got my vote, a week ago!!!
(but I also voted for Ted Cruz)
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Hey, Bro-click on the link in post 442 from MR2...
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11-05-2012, 18:24
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That was a very good video. I might just vote for Romney.
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11-05-2012, 18:25
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What state has him on the ballot?
And to all you "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Obama"...not in states like Texas or California. Now if you are in Ohio or Colorado please vote Romney!!!
This two party system and the electoral college "winner take the whole state" procsess sucks and always picking the "lesser of two evils" is no way to run the greatest country in the history of the world!
Gary Johnson got my vote, a week ago!!!
(but I also voted for Ted Cruz)
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I'm young so I haven't seen many elections, but this one seems very poor to me, I agree with you and the electoral college comment... How it always boils down to the same two parties every time is resulting in this radical teetering effect. Ron Paul or Gary Johnson simply cannot win, I realize, and as much as my principles want to vote for them and want to see one of them win, I have to admit that the guys are correct that either Romney or Obama will win, so which one do we want?
But I'm angry that I have to be forced to vote for something I don't want, either that or sit by and see it happen anyways.
The Republicans mostly think Romney would bring change, possibly for the better... and at least he isn't Obama...
The Democrats think Obama may be on to something that requires more than four years... claiming that 8 years of Bush is hard to fix in just 4.
The stress relief after tomorrow will be well deserved for all of America, albeit a lot of people will be disappointed, the anticipation is really heated.
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11-05-2012, 18:29
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I don't know about anyone else but I'm about ready to jump out of my skin I'm so nervous.
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11-05-2012, 18:35
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By the way, anyone see that late breaking news from CBS's "60 Minutes" that they just released last night? CBS had cut this portion of the tape when it was aired but is now making this public two days before the election.
It basically shows the President lied in the debate where he claimed he told people it was terrorism. This part of the tape that had been withheld by CBS shows POTUS saying on Sept 12, "regarding terrorism, it's too early to know."
Can we find a way to start indicting the idiots in the press as this would've clearly put to rest the false narrative the Administration was putting out?
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A link to this reference would be nice.
The main point is that Romney said that Obama didn't call it an 'act of terror' - and those are precisely the words Obama used.
Romney misspoke, and got nailed "in the moment" - when it really counts.
There many ways Romney could have phrased it:
"You didn't specifically call this event an attack by terrorists upon our consulate" would have done nicely. However, he used almost the exact words that Obama used... and the moment was lost. Poor preparation, or poor performance after proper preparation. It was a moment to strike. Romney whiffed it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ya-act-terror/
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ROMNEY: I think (it's) interesting the president just said something which -- which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...-consulate-in/
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No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
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While some will say POTUS was speaking of terror in 'general terms' and not this specific incident... well, that's open to interpretation. No where in the transcript does Obama mention 'the video' and a 'demonstration gone bad' or anything like that. He does refer to it as an "attack" (or "attacked") four times. Right after the "no acts of terror" statement, he says, "We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act."
Face it, Romney misspoke - stepped right into the "L-shaped ambush" and POTUS was ready for him, and sprayed him with full auto while he was in the kill zone. Too bad... it could have, and should have, been different.
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Last edited by ZonieDiver; 11-05-2012 at 19:03.
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11-05-2012, 18:36
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There are several reasons why we have an Electoral College. It because we have a democratically elected Republic and not a Democracy. The Electoral College is part of the checks and balances of our system. It prevents large states and states with large populations from crowding out smaller states. look how significant Little New Hampshire with its four electoral votes has become.
I'm thinking about several of my political pundent friends who bemoan the fact that political campaigns never come here! Well, being a battleground state this time, I'm sure they are enjoying all the TV ads and phone calls...
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11-05-2012, 18:38
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Hey, Bro-click on the link in post 442 from MR2...
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Doesn't sway me! I do know that it this will be close between O and R...but neither man impresses me!
I guess I am somewhat hypocritical (at least I know it and admit it) but I HAVE the comfort of voting for the candidate I WANT, knowing that my state will overwhelmingly vote the Republican party line!
As far as changing the system….If not me, then who? If not now, then when?
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11-05-2012, 18:39
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Except that Romney said that Obama didn't call it an 'act of terror' - and those are precisely the words Obama used.
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Imissed that. When did Obama say it was an act of terror?
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11-05-2012, 18:40
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I don't know about anyone else but I'm about ready to jump out of my skin I'm so nervous.
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I was wrong 4 years ago, Gypsy, but I'm right this time. Romney landslide.
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11-05-2012, 18:41
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I was wrong 4 years ago, Gypsy, but I'm right this time. Romney landslide.
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I'm going to trust you. I'd love a good landslide myself.
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11-05-2012, 18:45
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Imissed that. When did Obama say it was an act of terror?
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http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-st...enghazi-attack
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In tonight's presidential debate President Obama maintains that he called the attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi a "act of terror", which turns out to be accurate. However, the President is using a play on words. The full transcript below supports that assertion, which the moderator, Candy Crowley vehemently confirmed the President did do. However, the legal term of "act of terrorism" is never used. Furthermore, the President clearly implies the attack was a result of the reaction to an anti-Muslim film released on YouTube in the transcript the Whitehouse released with the video below.
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But when you read this paragraph of the speech he does not, IMO, call this attack specifically an act of terror. Had he said "This act of terror..." then he'd have a leg to stand on.
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No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.
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11-05-2012, 18:46
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Originally Posted by MR2
There are several reasons why we have an Electoral College. It because we have a democratically elected Republic and not a Democracy. The Electoral College is part of the checks and balances of our system. It prevents large states and states with large populations from crowding out smaller states. look how significant Little New Hampshire with its four electoral votes has become.
I'm thinking about several of my political pundent friends who bemoan the fact that political campaigns never come here! Well, being a battleground state this time, I'm sure they are enjoying all the TV ads and phone calls...
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I do find it interesting that NH is in play but look at states like New York, California and Illinois, those 104 EC votes are “automatically” in the books for the Dem-Party machine, 3 states make up a third of the 271 needed. What did de Tocqueville call it….Tyranny of the majority?
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