F-ing FBI

[CoLawman]

[QUOTE=casey]Your last word was misdirected - I never mentioned these instances.

Casey, this last word was directed toward Prester John. And in response to Prester John, David Koresh was responsible for the deaths of those civilians.



1. My opinions are based on their abilities as an Investigative entity. Remove the impediments of Intelligence issues, CIA concerns, and Political concerns and my argument about their elitist position in law enforcement should seem well grounded.

2. It is obvious that they are under attack in their Intelligence capabilities. But then again the CIA always had the corner on this market. The FBI and Military Intelligence were always bit players in this arena. And any attempts for them to improve their lot was hindered by the CIA. I believe this was one of the major improvements being sought by the Patriot Act. Sharing of information.

Even today that government is seeking to appoint an outsider to name the new Intelligence chief for the FBI. Reeks of McNamara running the Viet Nam war.

In todays newspaper there is an article about how the CIA is involved in a local assault case. Unbelievable. Interesting reading and display of power. www.greeleytrib.com

I defer to your much more informed and studied thoughts on their Intel abilities.

[CoLawman]

Originally Posted by Prester John

I wouldn't call conscious disregard for protocol resulting in many dead non-combatants to be a "conspiracy theory".

I'm probably more of a warhawk than most, but I guess growing up in TX with a steady diet of The New American can do that to you. I tend to agree with NDD, even though I know several VERY competant FBI agents.

Some random thoughts about your posts.

1. There are very radical opinions out there on most subjects. Much has been written about Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the OKC. The conclusions seem well researched and supported by evidence. That does not make the conclusion factual. The conspiracy theorists are still working on new publications on the deaths of RFK, JFK, and MLK. It will never end. Even in my venue no homicide I ever worked has satisfied everyone.

2. Every time someone is killed by the result of government actions, military or LE there is a vast population of people who find fault. These people are anti American. A perfect example is Guantanamo Bay. These are killers of the worst kind. Yet daily we read about how their Koran was urinated on or kicked around.
These critics never say a word about the actions taken by these individuals that placed them in prison.

3. I applaud your enlisting in the military and setting your goals high. But realize as soon as you put that uniform on you have become one of us. And the ultra right believe you are part of a mass conspiracy to disarm America, part of the New World Order, and a puppet. This is the ultra right that has shaped your opinion about Waco and other mentioned incidents. The ultraleft dislike you because you are the tip of the spear that is part of American Emperialism. I have found it best to be very discerning when reading anything published by the aforementioned ultra. READ it question it.

4. Michael Moore probably didn't have it right with his documentary. David Koresh and Jones did not have it right with their vision either. Totally extreme political leanings.

5. The fact you label yourself as "more of a warhawk than most" is probably accurate. As you would certainly be in the minority being a warhawk.

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BOISE, Idaho -- A longtime FBI agent who helped arrest mountain-man Claude Dallas and was involved in a deadly 1984 siege involving white supremacists in Washington state is going to prison for a year after pleading guilty to possession of child pornography.

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