Wolf ammo

[Cincinnatus]

Tubbs,

Just confirmed that all the incidents occurred in the last several weeks. Other details in my orginal post are correct.

[Tubbs]

Originally Posted by Huey14

I understand Ms. Jamieson is now retired

Only semi-retired. Since she got married she will only do girl on girl and lately she has been focusing more on directing so she start a family but still work in the industry. I think she also does osme product liscensing, other than porn stuff.

[Tubbs]

Originally Posted by Cincinnatus

Tubbs,

Just confirmed that all the incidents occurred in the last several weeks. Other details in my orginal post are correct.

Good to go... I will deifnately put the wolf ammo on the sidelines for a bit. Thanks for the heads up. Does he know if the ammo was all from the same lot? We still have some Wolf ammo left and trying to get my friend to get rid of ammo is like trying to get an Iraqi to give away an MRE.

[Huey14]

Originally Posted by Tubbs

Only semi-retired. Since she got married she will only do girl on girl and lately she has been focusing more on directing so she start a family but still work in the industry. I think she also does osme product liscensing, other than porn stuff.

[whit]

Originally Posted by Tubbs

My friend and I have shot several thousand rounds of Wolf ammo through our AK's and we have never had any problems. That is not to say that they don't occur, but if the gun blew up I would think that it was not just the ammo. If anything Wolf tends to be underpowered.
Like I said. Not something you would want to go to a match with, but if you just shoot alot and are on a budget its a good option. I have heard that they are working on imroving quality control and that their ammo is getting steadily better.

Here's the deal with steel-cased ammunition. Have a spare extractor handy.
The extractor materiel, tensioning, etc. was designed in most firearms to
utilize brass-cased ammunition. Steel cased ammo will (sometimes very quickly)
cause chipping and possibly even extractor breakage. You might have noticed the
HONKER extractor in the small AK bolt. Ditto for SKS, RPD, PKM, etc.
The Com-Bloc countries all use steel-cased ammo extensively, and the weapons
are designed around this fact.

When you start mixing the steel-cased stuff with the rather delicate extraction systems of Western design, trouble is on the horizen and sailing rapidly towards you.

1. How much did the gun cost?
2. How much does your yearly ammo expendature cost?
3. If 2 exceeds 1 you are doing something right! As my friend Al Barr (ex-FBI, SIG guy) sez: "You get good by being up to your a** in brass!"

Jeff over at Black Hills makes an excellent "Blue Box" line for practice. It is loaded in once-fired cases (as opposed to his Red Box line in new cases) at a substantial savings and it is fine ammunition for the price.
whit

[SERPENT5XX]

Gentlemen,

I have heard several stories of Wolf ammo causing problems but have never personally seen it happen.

Over the years I have seen: a box of American made of 9 mm. ammo with a round of .380 ammo mixed in (that was weird!), several rounds of American made ammo with no powder in the case and some Green -Tip military 5.56 ball that had deformed bullet tips.

I expect that eventually I will see some messed up Wolf.

Honestly I have shot quite a large volume of Wolf and have seen even more of it fired down range.

I usually stick to the 9mm Wolf out of my Glocks, SIG’s or my M9. The 7.62x39 out of my AK and a small amount of 5.56 from one of my M4 clones. I used to buy it in 5-10 case lots. It is no exaggeration to say I have shot in excess of 20,000 round of it out of my own guns in the last 3-4 years. So far (knock on wood) I have not seen any problems other than cleaning the gummy lacquer out of the chamber. I usually oil my guns fairly heavy when I am shooting Wolf and this seems to help keep the gummy stuff to a minimum.

When I went to the “Stans” before 9-11, we took 40,000 rounds of 7.62x39 and 27,000 rounds of 9x18 for use in a JCET. Watched all of it fired during training with no problems. Our Russian Terps found it amusing that we brought Russian ammo from the US to train in the FSU. We bought it because it was available in the right caliber, quantity and was the least expensive (always an issue on JCETS). I know Com-bloc guns are made for this ammo but if Wolf blew up as much as everyone claims I think we might have seen it in all those rounds fired.

Another interesting thing is Wolf actually uses Dillon Reloaders in their R&D. I watched a Russian news program about how the Russian Military Ordnance plants were making more ammo for export to the US than they made for the Russian Military. When they showed the workbench area in the lab there were a couple of Dillion 550's larger than life. Later I talked to one of my contacts at Dillion and they said they had heard the same thing from several other sources.

Bottom line: Use your own personal judgment. Would I shoot Wolf in my (collector guns) Les Baer, Colt Python or Kimber Warrior? Probably not, just due to the steel cases causing a slight premature wear. Will I continue to shoot 1,000’s of rounds in my (tool guns) SIG, Glock, and Beretta? Yes.

I do not have an axe to grind one way or the other, all I care about is putting as many rounds down range while training as possible. If I can shoot Wolf at $89 per 1,000 instead of brand X at $120, great. If that means my SIG lives for 30,000 rounds instead of 40,000 rounds, whatever. It all means more shooting.

I do like to reload but the most valuable resource I have is my time. So I while I will continue to reload for my 300 Win Mag, 308, 223, and 22-250 precision rifles, but for my tools I will shoot what provides the most training.

Thanks,

SERPENT5XX

[catd11r]

Good Day Gentleman, I've had exp. with Wolf ammo. and found it was very dirty, and accuracy at 100 yds wasn't good. I've bought some IMI from Wideners and was very happy with it. The caliber I was shooting was .223 and .308. Just my opinion. Thank You.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Or do a little paperwork and purchase Black Hills ammo, they'll send it right to your doorstep by the case.

TS

That's what I use and I like it.

Thanks TS.