Ar-15

[Air.177]

I had the distinct pleasure of shooting a 3 gun match with Paul from MSTN this past weekend and picked up one of his QCB muzzle brakes off the prize table. I just installed it and hopefully will be able to test it next week. I have pretty well decided to take my AR the Race gun route and pick up another one to leave stock. The next one will probably be a carbine. My 20" gun as of right now is a Bushmaster HBAR that has JP trigger springs and polished factory trigger parts(to be upgraded to full JP trigger when funds allow), Briley Carbon fiber free float tube, Leupold CQ/T w/ ARMS mount, and newly mounted MSTN brake. I am planning some other changes in the near future such as an ERGO grip, and possibly a VLTOR fixed stock. Also kicking around the idea of going to a lightweight carrier/buffer setup like in the JP rifles, but I'll have to see how that goes.

good times,
Blake

[ccrn]

Can you guys recommend a good sling for the AR15/M16 with 20" barrel?

I am familiar with single, double, and triple point slings although Ive only used the standard issue double point sling for carry. I realize that all three have their purpose, advantages and disadvantages.

I wanted to take a class or two but dont have time for it now, so mostly I'll be at the range just shooting. But I wouldnt mind playing around with one of the newer type slings to get a feel for it.

Thanks for any input

ccrn

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Air.177

I had the distinct pleasure of shooting a 3 gun match with Paul from MSTN this past weekend and picked up one of his QCB muzzle brakes off the prize table. I just installed it and hopefully will be able to test it next week.

good times,
Blake

Paul is a buddy of mine and is the partner of MSTN, who is an occasional lurker here.

Surprising guy, eh?

TR

[Air.177]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Paul is a buddy of mine and is the partner of MSTN, who is an occasional lurker here.

Surprising guy, eh?

TR

Paul is a good guy, and he shoots pretty damn well too.

[TXscout]

Originally Posted by ccrn

Can you guys recommend a good sling for the AR15/M16 with 20" barrel?

I am familiar with single, double, and triple point slings although Ive only used the standard issue double point sling for carry. I realize that all three have their purpose, advantages and disadvantages.

I wanted to take a class or two but dont have time for it now, so mostly I'll be at the range just shooting. But I wouldnt mind playing around with one of the newer type slings to get a feel for it.

Thanks for any input

ccrn

Sound purchase on the MT. Good AR to get started on, and adaptable for later "fixations". Get the original Giles sling---Only way to go. It's multipurpose and functional for all general fieldwork. For CQB or MOUT runs you might prefer a single point

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Air.177

Paul is a good guy, and he shoots pretty damn well too.

Had dinner with him tonight.

Did you have gun trouble at the match?

TR

[Air.177]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Had dinner with him tonight.

Did you have gun trouble at the match?

TR

Affirmative, my scope loosened up from the ARMS mount due to my inattention while mounting it. and the Benelli I was borrowing was plagued with multiple problems. I have corrected the scope problem through judicious (bordering on excessive) use of red loctite, and I have decided to go back to the old standby 870 until I can afford a proper benelli of my very own. My antique glock worked fine though, small consolation that was.

Good times,
Blake

[bberkley]

I finished rebuilding my Bushmaster 20" HBAR last night.

Pics will follow probably tomorrow.

I used an EGW A3 upper receiver, a DPMS 16" M4-profile barrel, YHM Specter quad-rail forearm, end cap, gas block, and Phantom 5C2 flash suppressor. Magpul M93B stock, and Falcon ambi ergo grip.

Topped it off with a Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T.

And to further drift the conversation, I parted with a Glock 21 today for a USP Compact in .40. I'm still gonna keep the Glock 34.

[Air.177]

Originally Posted by bberkley

I finished rebuilding my Bushmaster 20" HBAR last night.

Pics will follow probably tomorrow.

I used an EGW A3 upper receiver, a DPMS 16" M4-profile barrel, YHM Specter quad-rail forearm, end cap, gas block, and Phantom 5C2 flash suppressor. Magpul M93B stock, and Falcon ambi ergo grip.

Topped it off with a Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T.

And to further drift the conversation, I parted with a Glock 21 today for a USP Compact in .40. I'm still gonna keep the Glock 34.

Damn, someone's been busy.

[whit]

I have very good luck with the 16" heavy barrel flattop upper I got from
J&T Distributing's "M16 company", Doublestar Corp. Built the thing
about 3 yrs. ago for Dave Lauck's 3-gun match (I was Pistol/Carbine).
Did an A2 stock and an Accuracy Speaks (they're on the web) trigger.
The trigger takes a little professional fitting, and it is the hardest
thing I have ground in a long time. Beautiful now.
Topped it with the U.S. Optics SN-4. It did quite well in
the match, and stays on a torso-sized target to ranges
so stupid for a 16" gun I won't even post 'em here. Cost for
complete upper is only $390, an excellent deal IMHO.
I would recommend asking for the 1:8" twist barrel if you
decide to go this route. My barrel likes the 69-gr. Black Hills
Match moly over the 77-grainers, but try both. Barrels are like wimmen. ;^)

1/888-736-7725, I think the catalogues are free.
Regards,
whit

[KBAR_O4]

I've got a Colt 6920 that has worked well for me. I've also had very good luck with LMT products, which are on a par with Colt in my opinion. Personally, I would match whatever I was issued, with the possible exception of sights. I've got an ACOG I really like. Of course you could always buy two of them, one full length and one M4 type....

Good luck with your rifle, fortunately you can buy almost anything these days. My personal AR is a lot nicer than anything I had in AFG.

[ccrn]

The Colt with 20" Barrel has been working flawlessly without one jam. So much for working on immediate (POPS) and remedial actions.

I have been working on controlled pairs at 7ft, 21ft, and 25m lately.

After recently attending an Infantry course I find I like the M4 platform quite well and will save up for that over the next year. I'll go with colt-

Thanks for all input

ccrn

[Maytime]

Originally Posted by ccrn

So much for working on immediate (POPS) and remedial actions.

Isn't SPORTS for ar15? IIRC POPS was for M249.

[Gene Econ]

Originally Posted by ccrn

Can you guys recommend a good sling for the AR15/M16 with 20" barrel?ccrn

CCRN:

Slings were probably introduced to modern firearms by Satan I sometimes think. Trying to figure out how to attach and then get an advantage out of them can be trying to ones patience. Bottom line is that guys either love them or refuse to have them on their rifles or carbines. That is probably the decision you will have to make. You will either end up liking a sling or not using one at all. I am not so sure they are a good idea when wearing full body armor and the helmet. Either one point or two point, you are restricting the location of your rifle or carbine to one side of your body and with all this gear on, you may have problems removing the sling so you can shift the rifle to the other side of your body. I will say that some will clip a one point sling with carbine to a snap link on their body armor and thus making removing the carbine a bit easier than trying to take the sling off over a helmet and all the body armor gear.

20 inch barrel with fixed stock (Service Rifle) normally means you will use a sling that affixes to the forend somewhere and the very end of the stock. When you lower the rifle, it sits conveniently between your web gear and your hands -- for better or worse. It may be a bit harder to bring to your shoulder than you would like but for hip firing it is pretty good.

One point slings fit on the end of the stock. They can hang well out of your way when lowered and are easier to bring the rifle to your shoulder. Unfortunately, for full length service rifles this means when you lower the rifle, the barrel goes 'clunk' into the dirt, even while standing. You can get away with one if you use a carbine, unless you take a knee. Then you get the muzzle in the dirt effect. Either way you need to control the weapon while moving or the weapon will swing wildly about the side and back of your body -- and get caught on things that you never thought it would get caught on.

Before you spend from thrity to sixty dollars for five dollars worth of nylon, try a two quart strap affixed to the front sight assembly and green taped to the rear of the stock so it won't interfere with your charging handle. We also used to use parachute cord affixed in the same manner before things got high speed. You will find out soon enough if you like having a sling on at all. If so, buy one for a medium cost.

If you intend to shoot competitive High Power with the rifle in order to get in some practice, spend ten dollars on a canvas M-1 Garand sling. Very easy to adjust while in position.

Slings remain the invention of Satan IMHO.

Gene

[ccrn]

maytime you are correct regarding immediate actions. I do it pretty fast with the M4 at this point so abbreviated it. I use the M2, 240B, M249, and M9 alot here.


Gene thank you very much for your input. We have mamba slings available for about $10.00 in the PX and I used a three point I liked very much for just being on the range etc.

My unit is on convoy security duty here in the ITO and Ive found the sling to be exactly what you say it is in the confines of the truck and turret. Ive Dx'd it and use a wolf hook when outside the vehicle and need to have hands off. Otherwise it is in my hands unslung-

Thanks again

ccrn