Baseball Steroids Hearings

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-17-2005, 21:43

I am watching them replayed on CSPAN while eating dinner. Anybody want to discuss? Should Congress act? Are any of these guys lying?

Sdiver · 03-18-2005, 01:10

Didn't watch it. But to answer your questions...

"Are they Lying?".....You bet your A** they are. Come on. Have you seen early pics of Mcguire? One year he's kinda small, the next he's HUGE and bashing balls outta the park. That's what people pay to see. Home Runs. I love baseball, but watching it sometimes is about as much fun as say watching NDD go running with his dog and falling into an open Man Hole......wait a sec.....that is FUN.

Getting back to Home Runs. Remember all the hoopla a few years ago, with the HR race between Mcguire and Sosa? Yeah, I got involved in it. It was history in the making for Baseball fans. Who knew when we'd see it again? Silly us, that Mac's record would only last a few years, before another steroid freak would come along a break it.

The guys that played ball for the Love of The Game, and made the records, Hank Aaron, Roger Maries (sp), the Babe. They didn't have preformance enhancing drugs at their ready. NO !!! They broke/made their records from watching the "science" of the game.

"Should Congress get involved?"......if they do, they'd had better get into NFL and the NBA too. There are just as much, if not, more users in those two leauges than in Baseball. I think they're just doing it to show everyone how "concerened" they are after Jose's book came out. How many NFL types have said that steroids are flying around that leauge and Congress isn't calling in Lyle Alzado...oh wait he's dead...cause....too much steriod usage. You get my point.

Congress is just doing this for a "Feel good" study and because Baseball is "America's Past Time" and it looks good on camera, also too, things in Iraq are going relitivly good following the elections and they need some thing else to B*tch about and show the American taxpayer that they're doing something.

Bud Selig is an Assho*e. I hate that SOB. He said the other day, that if any player was found to be using steroids and has a record in Cooperstown (he was refering to Sosa, Maquire and Bonds) that those records will stay there. BULLS*IT !!!!!

That's rewarding them for doing something wrong. How does that look to our kids? You know....the ones that basaball is geared towards. You don't see "Father and Son" games sold in the NFL or NBA games. NO....IT'S BASEBALL !!!! Now Selig is telling our kids that it's okay to do something wrong and still be rewarded for it.

CommoGeek · 03-18-2005, 02:12

Watching those clowns talk about steroids would be like watching strippers talk about fake boobs...

Hypocrites.

TPD1280 · 03-18-2005, 07:44

C'mon Diver, just because there is no Hockey you get all bitter.

First off, are there performance enhancing drugs being used in Baseball? Only on days that end with a "Y"...mondaY, tuesdaY, etc.

If you read Ball Four by Jim Bouton, he talks about "greenies" all the way back in the 50's and 60's. Players took them to get "up" for the game. They couldn't imagine playing without them. One player got all uptight because of a rain delay, and he was going to peak before the game even started.

McGwire broke the rookie HR record (49) while he was still a skinny kid. He was slender for the first few years of his MLB career.

Ken Griffey Jr. swats HR's whenever he wants (providing he is healthy) and nobody accused him of juicing. He's got stick arms, and great timing.

Steroids cannot provide hand/eye coordination or timing.

People overlook the fact that when these guys first show up in baseball, they are right out of highschool or college. Most are barely into their 20's and have not yet begun to fill out. Not many have the ability to focus their entire existence on nothing more than being a baseball player. Not with school, jobs, etc.

All of a sudden, they are a professional athlete. That means they get paid to play a sport, and work out. They are provided with trainers, docs, state-of-the-art equipment, and all the money they need to make sure that their sport is their primary concern.

If I am being paid for a couple of years to do nothing but work out and play baseball, and I am dilligent about it, I am going to show some results physically. It is natural.

I don't think for a second that Baseball players are doing everything "naturally". MLB has not regulated itself.

I think Congress is jumping the gun on this, and they are being caught up in publicity. I still don't see where there is a need for the Federal Government to get involved. Since MLB is exempt from the Sherman Anti-trust act, the Federal Government should perhaps keep an eye on things, but what is the goal of this investigation? What purpose is it going to serve? Are they really going to do anything, or are they just going to have hearings?

This whole thing does smack of the latest incarnation of "McCarthyism."

I want my elected officials to focus on things that more directly affect this Nation, not whether a bunch of guys who play a game for a living are using drugs, whether its andro or dyannabol.

NousDefionsDoc · 03-18-2005, 07:45

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Originally Posted by CommoGeek

Watching those clowns talk about steroids would be like watching strippers talk about fake boobs...

Hypocrites.

Excellent analogy.

I think there are other things Congress could be doing than getting involved in baseball (again).

Answer is simple, either piss test them and ban them and strip them of their records if they come up hot. Or let them do it.

**Airbornelawyer** · 03-18-2005, 11:07

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Answer is simple, either piss test them and ban them and strip them of their records if they come up hot. Or let them do it.

Piss tests, besides various other problems, do not detect things like HGH. Of course, players taking HGH probably might as well be taking that Dr. Whoever's Miracle Elixir from The Outlaw Josey Wales for all the good it will do them.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-18-2005, 11:09

The face of every player on the panel except for Schilling was severely pockmarked. Coincidence, you think?

NousDefionsDoc · 03-18-2005, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Airbornelawyer

Piss tests, besides various other problems, do not detect things like HGH. Of course, players taking HGH probably might as well be taking that Dr. Whoever's Miracle Elixir from The Outlaw Josey Wales for all the good it will do them.

The issue I saw being discussed was not HGH, it was anabolic steroids. Atheletes do not take HGH alone, they take it conjunction with other things.

I don't care what they do, it's baseball's problem, not the Congress of the United States. We are at war, we don't need elected representatives worrying about a bunch of overpaid mama's boys. What's next, Senate hearings on corked bats and spit balls?

**Airbornelawyer** · 03-18-2005, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Sdiver

The guys that played ball for the Love of The Game, and made the records, Hank Aaron, Roger Maries (sp), the Babe. They didn't have preformance enhancing drugs at their ready. NO !!! They broke/made their records from watching the "science" of the game.

Do you think the players today do not pay attention to the science of the game? They just have access to broader science, especially health sciences, for good and bad.

Given how much he tried to drag out his career when well past his prime, do you honestly think Babe Ruth would not have availed himself of any performance enhancers, legal or otherwise, he could get his hands on?