10-29-2009, 10:48
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I've got the one for air dropping of all types watercraft for SOF in a PDF - will look to see if I can find the one for RWAC rigging - probably a TM or TB vice an FM.
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10-30-2009, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Sdiver
Here's a question that I've had bouncing around in my knoggin for awhile.
Why don't all SF go through the Combat Diver program going through the pipeline. I know SEALs and Recon do it for their mission. But PJs and CCTs go through the program as part of their training.
Is it because of number of avalible slots? Which group you're going to be assinged to?
Just courious.
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The army mostly fights on land. It changes our priorities a bit.
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11-08-2009, 02:17
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Originally Posted by Richard
SCUBA is not only an infiltration technique.
SCUBA (air, O2, mixed gas) is an additional skill which has many other applications.
Commitments of the limited dedicated UWO assets at any given time - combined with time, distance, transportation, weather, mission constraints - provide the arguments for having UWO qualified personnel/teams available in-theater when and wherever necessary.
USN - like the USAF - provide transportation for SO teams as directed by JCS. We used PBRs, CRCs, subs (SS and SSN/SSBN) and SDVs - along with other surface craft and USN RWAC. A taxi is a taxi no matter who's driving the damn thing.
PJ SCUBA training - unless they later manage a slot to the CDQC - is a basic introductory diving course at Panama City and nothing like the CDQC.
CD qualification is a time intensive and expensive skill to attain and maintain, and not everyone has the aptitude for it.
Putting one's proverbial eggs in a single basket makes no sense - especially within the SO community.
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Are you stating that in PJ scuba is not as physically demanding as CDQC? I used to be in the Army. Currently, I am in the Air Guard, pursuing TCAP. One of my goals is to get my bubble.
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11-08-2009, 06:24
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questioning a QP.
I will just back Richard's post of PJ scuba. Pamama city is not the same as Key West.
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11-08-2009, 06:53
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Are you stating that in PJ scuba is not as physically demanding as CDQC?
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Yes - remember, each are designed to meet the mission requirements of their respective organizations.
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11-08-2009, 08:44
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...One of my goals is to get my bubble.
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That email you received when you registered here, re/read it and follow the instructions contained therein before posting again...
Welcome to PS.com and best of luck in your goal......
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11-08-2009, 09:53
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Are you stating that in PJ scuba is not as physically demanding as CDQC? I used to be in the Army. Currently, I am in the Air Guard, pursuing TCAP. One of my goals is to get my bubble.
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You need to read the rules and stickies and follow them before posting again.
BTW, are you airborne, or spec ops, or do you just like to tell people that you are?
You are not reflecting credibly upon yourself, or your service.
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11-08-2009, 12:41
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You need to read the rules and stickies and follow them before posting again.
BTW, are you airborne, or spec ops, or do you just like to tell people that you are?
You are not reflecting credibly upon yourself, or your service.
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With all due respect, when did I state that I was an operator? I am airborne qualified.
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11-08-2009, 13:04
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With all due respect, when did I state that I was an operator? I am airborne qualified.
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When did you post an intro?
DO NOT post again until you have read your registration email and complied with the instructions contained therein. You will not be asked again.
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11-08-2009, 13:42
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I will make a short statement if I may.
PJ training is, it itself as intensive and demanding as other sof selection and qual courses. They graduate a small percentage. SCUBA is a very small sector of the overall colurse. After the SCUBA training in the 8th we conducted a SAR course based upon the USAF SAR POI. PJs wewre a spinoff of the USAF SAR.
How many admins are there here now? Whew!!!
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11-08-2009, 17:20
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With all due respect, when did I state that I was an operator? I am airborne qualified.
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Your email address that you registered with would seem to indicate that you are claiming to be both Airborne and Spec Ops.
Are you?
Before you answer, I again strongly suggest that you read the Rules and Stickies and comply. I will not ask you to again.
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