The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing."

[DunbarFC]

I got one of those too Sac

What was your donation ?

[Sacamuelas]

Crazy thing is... I haven't donated anything lately. They were hitting me up for some future contribution. Damn right wing conspiracy groups are demanding. haha

I think about 51% of the population has gotten one already. I hope it works.

[NousDefionsDoc]

http://intellectualconservative.com/article3617.html

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http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/20...6-2004/okc.htm

I'm moving this thread to the terrorism forum.

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SLC lawyer: FBI likely knew of Oklahoma bombing plot
Seeking disclosure: In a court filing, he wants the agency to provide an unedited 1995 memo and a related report about his brother's death in prison
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune




The FBI "in all likelihood" had advance notice of the Oklahoma City bombing plot but did nothing to prevent the attack, a Salt Lake City lawyer claims.
Attorney Jesse Trentadue alleges an informant infiltrated a white supremacist compound in Oklahoma and learned Timothy McVeigh was trying to recruit accomplices there about two weeks before the April 19, 1995, bombing.
This information probably was relayed to the FBI before the bombing, the lawyer contends in a document filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City.
Trentadue has sued the FBI, alleging it is violating the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by refusing to turn over documents connected to the 1995 death of his brother in an Oklahoma prison.
As evidence that the agency has failed to do a proper search for the records he wants, he points to a FBI memorandum sent to members of a task force investigating the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people.
Although he specifically requested that memo, the FBI claimed it either did not exist or could not be located, Trentadue says in court documents. Yet Trentadue - who does not say how he obtained a copy - filed in court a print copy of a heavily edited electronic memo dated Jan. 4, 1996.
The memo also has been mentioned in prior media reports in Oklahoma.
It is unclear who wrote the memo, which appears to have been sent to FBI offices in several cities. It states someone affiliated with the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based civil rights group, was at a white supremacist compound in April 1995, when one of the Oklahoma bombing suspects allegedly called looking for a co-conspirator.
The name of the caller is blacked out, but the person is described as one of the two indicted defendants in the bombing. The two defendants were McVeigh, who was executed in 2001 for the crime, and Terry Nichols, who is serving a life sentence.
An employee at the Department of Justice, which represents the FBI in the lawsuit, said Wednesday that no one was available for comment on the memo. The department in the past has declined to talk about pending legal actions.
A call to FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C., was not returned Wednesday.
Trentadue is pursuing the document because he believes the investigation of the bombing holds clues to his brother's death.
Kenneth Trentadue, 44, was being held on an alleged parole violation in a federal prison in Oklahoma City when guards found him dead on Aug. 21, 1995, hanging from a noose made of torn bed sheets. His family insists he was killed and contend correctional officials destroyed evidence; authorities have denied the allegations and contend he committed suicide. Several investigations also ruled the death a suicide.
Trentadue believes the FBI mistakenly suspected his brother was part of a gang that robbed banks to fund attacks on the government, and that authorities killed him “when things got out of hand” during an interrogation.
Trentadue believes that at one time, the FBI was investigating whether the bank robbers were connected to the bombing.
FBI agents have said there was no connection between the six bank robbery gang suspects who were arrested and McVeigh and Nichols. One agent, testifying in a state murder trial against Nichols last spring, said the only link was that the robbers had connections to an Elohim City, Okla., supremacist compound, and there was evidence McVeigh called there once.
As part of his own probe into Kenneth's death, Trentadue had asked the FBI for records related to the robbers. According to his suit, an anonymous caller told him a few months after his brother died that his brother, a convicted bank robber, had been murdered because he fit a profile of the gang members.
The FBI responded it has followed FOIA procedures and has asked U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball in Salt Lake City to dismiss the suit.
In turn, Trentadue on Tuesday asked the judge to order the agency to produce two specific documents: An unedited copy of the 1995 FBI memo and a report he believes was prepared after an FBI agent and two assistant U.S. attorneys investigating his brother's death interviewed him a year later.

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http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2004_02_23_archive.html

I don't know anything about Intelwire

Explosives Recipes Tie OKC to al Qaeda Manuals

Intelligence officials are now investigating possible connections in global bomb designs as evidence of terrorist cooperation, an avenue that has significant ramifications for the Oklahoma City bombing.

A U.S. intelligence forensic expert told the New York Times this week that "linkages have been made in devices that have been used in different continents. We know that we have the same bomb maker, or different bomb makers are using the same instructions."

INTELWIRE has analyzed much of the available material on al Qaeda bomb manuals in the U.S. during the early 1990s and found numerous potential links between those manuals and the Oklahoma City bombing. A 2002 indictment alleged that an alias used by Mohammed Jamal Khalifa was found on one of several bomb-making manuals brought into the U.S. in 1992 by an accomplice of Ramzi Yousef. Those manuals included detailed instructions about how to build improvised explosives, including recipes for urea nitrate (used in the World Trade Center attack) and ammonium nitrate (used in Oklahoma City), according to trial records.

The manuals included instructions on the use and handling of every major component currently believed to have been part of the Oklahoma City bomb, including ammonium nitrate, nitromethane, PETN, blasting caps and instructions on creating shaped charges for use in destroying buildings.

The manuals also contained entries on using hydrogen peroxide and aluminum powder. Ammonium nitrate, hydrogen peroxide, aluminum powder, diesel fuel and blasting caps were found at the Michigan farm of James Nichols, brother of Terry, during an FBI search around April 21, according to a criminal complaint filed in April 1995 but subsequently dropped.

The Bojinka airline-bombing plot, exposed by an accidental fire in Yousef's Manila apartment in early January 1995, resulted in the arrest of Abdul Hakim Murad (who later claimed responsibility in the Oklahoma bombing).

A spiral-bound notebook seized when Murad was arrested contained a page of instructions on the properties of nitromethane, one of the Oklahoma City bomb components, according to evidence presented at Murad's trial. Murad had used the notebook to record instructions on bomb-making provided by Yousef, who is universally considered an explosives genius.

The notation on nitromethane is located in a section of the notebook that can be dated to late December 1994, at which time Terry Nichols was staying in the Philippines, according to trial testimony.

The entry on nitromethane appears to differ from other content in the notebook, which consisted largely of shopping lists for the Bojinka plot and notes on the manufacture of chemicals specifically used in that plan, as described at length during Murad's trial. Nitromethane was used in the Bojinka plan, but not as a primary explosive material, according to trial testimony and classified documents cited in Seeds of Evil, a 2004 book on al Qaeda by CNN correspondent Maria Ressa.

The basic idea for the Oklahoma City bomb is widely thought to have been inspired by the racist novel "The Turner Diaries," which describes white supremacists using an ammonium nitrate-fuel oil bomb to blow up FBI headquarters. According to Peter Lance, author of 1000 Years for Revenge, Ramzi Yousef employed a similar ammonium nitrate-diesel fuel oil bomb in a thwarted attempt to destroy the Israeli embassy in Bangkok just a few months earlier, in March 1994.

McVeigh and Nichols followed the "Turner" blueprint closely, but the choice to replace fuel oil with nitromethane was a deviation that made the bomb more powerful. The specific recipe appears to have been first used in Oklahoma City.

Subsequent to the Oklahoma City bombing, ammonium nitrate bombs became a favorite weapon of al Qaeda, and have frequently been used in attacks connected with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, one of the Manila plotters.

A bomb manual found in Afghanistan contained a recipe for an ammonium nitrate-based bomb marked with the handrwritten notation "Was used in Oklahoma," according to the New York Times.

[The Reaper]

IMHO, the theory is BS.

The recipe for the bomb, which has long been available from old military manuals and Paladin Press publications is more info the the public really needs to know.

TR

[casey]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

IMHO, the theory is BS.

The recipe for the bomb, which has long been available from old military manuals and Paladin Press publications is more info the the public really needs to know.

TR

Concur. Even before the massisve influx of open sourcing on the internet, these AN & UR recipies were published and refined. The VBIED configuration is not the angle to tie in foreign involvement. Questions will always linger and fuel conspiracy theories on any major incident. Add to the mix a lead (aforementioned) investigative agency who IMO can't find it shadow with the sun behind them, and the conspiracy theories will continue to grow unanswered/unchecked.

[NousDefionsDoc]

yeah, they got everything and all of them.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/01/ni....ap/index.html
Quote:

FBI finds explosives in Nichols home
Tip led to search of bombing conspirator's house in Kansas
Friday, April 1, 2005 Posted: 10:56 PM EST (0356 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tipped they may have missed evidence a decade ago, FBI agents searched the former home of convicted Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols and found blasting caps and other explosive materials apparently related to the 1995 attack, officials said Friday.

FBI officials said the material was found buried in a crawl space of the house in Herington, Kansas, which wasn't checked by agents during the numerous searches of the property during the original investigation of Nichols and Timothy McVeigh.

"The information so far indicates the items have been there since prior to the Oklahoma City bombing," Agent Gary Johnson said in a telephone interview from Oklahoma City.

FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said in Kansas the materials were found in boxes, much of them wrapped in plastic, and were being sent to the FBI lab for analysis. The FBI is operating on the assumption the evidence was from the original Oklahoma plot, he said.

In coming days, agents will be looking for any fingerprints and other clues on the evidence that might show where the explosives originated and who may have possessed them before they got into Nichols' home.

Attorney: Hoax or major failure
The extraordinary discovery, just three weeks from the 10th anniversary of the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people, is likely to prove a new embarrassment to an FBI already burned by missteps in this case and the pre-September 11 period.

Nichols, who is serving multiple life prison sentences on federal and state charges, hasn't lived at the property in years, and FBI officials said the information that led to the discovery indicated Nichols had buried the evidence before the attack on April 19, 1995.

One of Nichols' attorneys said Friday the discovery was either a hoax or a major failure by the FBI to find all evidence after searching the home numerous times.

"They were there often," said attorney Brian Hermanson, who represented Nichols in last year's Oklahoma state murder trial that ended with Nichols' conviction. "It's surprising. I would think they would have done their job and found everything that was there."

"But I'm still suspicious that it could be something planted there," Hermanson said. "The house was empty for several years and if somebody wanted to put something there to incriminate Terry they had plenty of time to have done it."

Dan Defenbaugh, the retired FBI agent who ran the Oklahoma City investigation, said he was dismayed that his agency may have missed the evidence. "When you do a search warrant of that importance, you have to make sure it's thorough," he said.

Under a foot of rock, dirt and gravel
FBI agents went to the property Thursday night and then summoned a bomb squad after finding the potentially dangerous materials, Lanza said. The search ended late Friday afternoon and the evidence was being shipped to the FBI lab outside Washington.

Lanza said the material was buried in the crawl space under about a foot of rock, dirt and gravel, an area that had not been searched during the original investigation.

"Depending on the situation, that's something that may not necessarily be searched, especially given the fact that there was no information there was anything in there, and even if you searched the crawl space at that time and dug through the rock and rubble you wouldn't find anything until you went at least a foot down," he said.

Lanza said the information that spurred the search indicated that "Nichols was responsible for hiding these devices" and "we are operating under the assumption that Terry Nichols put them there."

Nichols and McVeigh, who was put to death for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing, had used blasting caps, fertilizer and fuel to make the bomb used to destroy the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.

McVeigh's trial lawyer said Friday he has known some materials gathered for the attack were never located by the FBI and this discovery could answer some of those questions. But he added it also could prove to be another black eye for the FBI, which was criticized for causing a delay in McVeigh's execution after it found new documents in the case.

"I think it is clearly embarrassing if it turns out to be true," McVeigh attorney Stephen Jones said. "We've gone from not producing everything for the defendants to failing to recover from one of the conspirator's homes evidence that clearly is material."

Georgia Rucker has owned the house in Kansas since 1997 and rented it several times. She said Thursday the last tenant was evicted in October and she had been preparing the home for sale. Rucker said she was contacted by two FBI agents Thursday and gave permission for authorities to search the premises.

Last year, the FBI ordered a review of some aspects of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing investigation after a series of Associated Press stories identified evidence that the lead investigator in the case said had never been shown to his team.

The evidence raised questions about whether a group of white supremacist bank robbers might have had some connection to the attack.


In 100 years, they'll find a Muslim link.

[NousDefionsDoc]

I wonder if they ever found their guns and computers?

[The Reaper]

Well, since the main suspect was executed faster than anyone else in the past 30 years, and we are unable to question him further, we may never know.

TR

Read this today, what do you all think?

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153635,00.html


Did Oklahoma City Bombers Have Help?
Saturday, April 16, 2005

One month after the April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing (search) that killed 168 people, authorities demolished what was left of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (search).

Officials said the implosion was a necessary part of the psychological recovery for the citizens of Oklahoma City. But critics question the FBI’s tactics and argue the building came down too soon and the implosion is one piece of a government cover-up.

Survivor VZ Lawton remembers the events after the attack.

“I was in my office at my desk signing papers and all of a sudden the building began to shake,” said Lawton. “The lights went out, debris started falling and then something hit me on the head and knocked me out before the truck bomb ever went off.”

Lawton and some others believe Timothy McVeigh (search) — who was convicted of federal conspiracy and murder charges in the bombing and executed in 2001 — and convicted conspirator Terry Nichols (search) weren't alone in plotting the attack.

During the investigation the FBI circulated sketches of “John Does” and in response received thousands of conflicting tips from across the country.


Editor's Note: Watch the FOX News Channel on Sunday at 9 p.m. EDT for "The Oklahoma City Bombing: Unanswered Questions." And check out FOXNews.com on Monday for a story showing how FBI agents are convinced they got the right men.

The FBI quickly identified Timothy McVeigh as John Doe No. 1 — the man who rented the Ryder Truck used in the deadly plot. But, the FBI discounted dozens of eyewitness statements about a John Doe No. 2. And some ask why.

"The government tried to tell us that there was no John Doe 2 in the truck with McVeigh," Lawton said. "We got witnesses that saw him in the truck, saw him get out of the truck, walk across the street and get into a brown Chevrolet pickup with two more John Doe 2's. That makes three."

A number of eyewitnesses said they saw McVeigh with other men at a variety of locations in Oklahoma and Kansas before the attack. Some accounts put McVeigh with other men on the morning of the bombing — but the FBI has ruled them out.

Pictures made from surveillance video at the Regency Tower Apartments are the only images related to the attack that have been released to the public.

Oklahoma City attorney Michael Johnston said the FBI was not given all the tapes from as many as twenty-five cameras that he says were in and around the Murrah Building.

“If they're really non-consequential, it wouldn't hurt anything. If indeed they show something I think the American public, after a decade, has the right to know,” he said.

Johnston, on behalf of twenty-five victims’ families, filed a Freedom of Information (FOI) request for all of the surveillance videos. FOX News also filed a FOI request. The FBI has denied both cases on account that the case is still open.

"We can’t expect to get that footage until after that case is closed and then I think you will," said FBI agent Jon Hersley.

Racial Tie to Bombing?

Another surveillance tape of interest might have shown McVeigh with some notorious bank robbers, but the FBI admits the video was destroyed.

“There's also some bank robbery surveillance tapes that were disposed of in some way that could've involved McVeigh with the Midwest robbery gang. There's just a lot of unanswered questions there,” former FBI agent Danny Coulson said.

Between the years of 1992 and 1996, a gang of white separatists who called themselves the Aryan Republican Army robbed banks throughout the Midwest and stole nearly $500,000 before being caught. Rumors have persisted that the ARA was tied to McVeigh.

“The Midwest bank robbers of course are somebody that should be looked at. Terrorists historically finance their operations through bank robbery, armored car robbery,” Coulson said. “Coincidences just aren't coincidences, there's some reason for it.”

Peter Langan, one of the gang’s leaders who is serving a life sentence for his role in the robberies, told FOX News in an exclusive interview that some of the Midwest bank robbers were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

“Yes I do [believe members of the Aryan Republican Army were involved],” Langan said. “No doubt whatsoever.”

McVeigh's sister, Jennifer, in her own sworn deposition said: "My brother remarked that the money he had in his possession represented his share of the bank robbery proceeds."

Some argue the FBI should have looked harder at phone records they used to track McVeigh and Nichols. The records might hold ignored or missed clues that call for a wider investigation, especially the number of calls McVeigh made to the Philippines.

“It's amazing to me that not more has been made of those phone records,” Johnston said.

Repeated calls were made from Terry Nichols' home to a place called Star Glad Lumber in the Philippines.

“Star Glad Lumber is operated by a man whose brother and cousin were both notorious terrorists, splinter groups of the Abu Sayyaf terror group in the Philippines,” according to Johnston, the attorney.

Nichols also repeatedly called a boarding house in Cebu City, an establishment that has been linked to 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind Ramzi Yousef (search). The same kind of ANFO fertilizer fuel bomb was used in New York and in Oklahoma City.

Finally, in McVeigh's trial the prosecution alleged that the bombing was financed by a robbery of an Arkansas gun dealer named Roger Moore. But Langan doesn't agree.

"Moore had himself robbed ... so he could put firearms in the black market without having liability himself," Langan said.

Asked if he believed Moore was not a victim, but part of the scam, Langan told FOX News: "Correct."

FOX News' Rita Cosby, Clay Rawson and Peter Russo contributed to this report.

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The Oklahoma City Bombing: Unanswered Questions
FOX News Channel Apr 17 09:00pm

AHhhhh...., the infamous books bearing the phrase: "For Informational and Academical Purposes Only!"

[ZoneOne]

on the History Channel they have a show called Conspiracy?

Today it went over the Oklahoma City Bombing
Rather interesting commentary from former FBI agents and eye witnesses.

If you can catch it, I suggest watching it.