Chauvin Trial

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Badger52

* Except for I'm not a Dodgers fan but - Yes, I DID return that 3/4; if you haven't checked Charlie Co's motor pool bays then STFU and leave me alone.

I smell a story.

[ChristianPA]

I think the issue for the defense is going to be the fact that no one has testified in support of Chauvin and his actions. All the officers within the Minneapolis police force that testified have taken opposition to Chauvin's (and the other officers') actions. And with the ED doctor's testimony stating he doesn't believe drug toxicity was a primary contributing factor to his death, that's a big challenge for the defense. I would say the prosecutor surely has the upper hand given the evidence we've seen thus far and testimonies (just not the witness testimonies, that EMT should've been kicked from the courtroom, in my opinion).

[JGC2]

Originally Posted by ChristianPA

I think the issue for the defense is going to be the fact that no one has testified in support of Chauvin and his actions. All the officers within the Minneapolis police force that testified have taken opposition to Chauvin's (and the other officers') actions. And with the ED doctor's testimony stating he doesn't believe drug toxicity was a primary contributing factor to his death, that's a big challenge for the defense. I would say the prosecutor surely has the upper hand given the evidence we've seen thus far and testimonies (just not the witness testimonies, that EMT should've been kicked from the courtroom, in my opinion).

Yesterday's prosecution witness was so disastrous for them that the defense informed the judge they plan on calling them back to the stand again as a defense witness later LOL

[Old Dog New Trick]

Thus far the prosecution has failed to “prove” their case beyond the “feelings and emotional” aspects of the court room. They haven’t even injected some liberal form or use of the required “burden of proof” to convict him.

The city should have considered using some of that $27M to pay for better witnesses that aren’t embarrassed every time the defense cross examines them and they become a witness for the defense.

But, unfortunately for Derek Chauvin, justice will be delayed when he found guilty of something to appease the people.

[bushmaster11]

OK, you medics out there, what are side effects of Fentanyl? It is a depressive, in fact there have fatalities on small doses. It would NOT have caused agitation or combativeness. Not sayin he should not have been clocked, but is a bummer case.

J. R.sends
DOL

[tom kelly]

NOT GUILTY.....Until Hell freezes over........Than we will skate on the ice...HOLDOUT

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

The city should have considered using some of that $27M

Just curious - why would the city settle the civil case before the outcome of the murder trial was known?

S.

[Ret10Echo]

You might do that if you were uncertain of the required outcome of the criminal trial. ..... And to just "Make it go away"

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Just curious - why would the city settle the civil case before the outcome of the murder trial was known?

S.

Mayor Fryes “white-guilt” payment up front to BLM/Antifa! Maybe they cut a deal with Benjamin Crump not to burn the city down again, knowing they have a weak case and always had a weak case.

[Patriot007]

It is frustrating but expected that not many people know George Floyd had fentanyl AND methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death. Counterfeit "Percocets" containing the potentially deadly combination were found in the vehicle.

Methamphetamine will cause the agitation and combativeness you see. As will a lifetime of criminal activity and disregard for the law.

Originally Posted by bushmaster11

OK, you medics out there, what are side effects of Fentanyl? It is a depressive, in fact there have fatalities on small doses. It would NOT have caused agitation or combativeness. Not sayin he should not have been clocked, but is a bummer case.

J. R.sends
DOL

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Patriot007

Counterfeit "Percocets" containing the potentially deadly combination were found in the vehicle.

That would explain why his bro' done fled da scene and then began a love affair with the 5th Amendment when called to testify. I'm thinking dealer/connection. Break up counterfeit $20 so I can pay my boy out waitin' in the car.

[NurseTim]

Originally Posted by bushmaster11

OK, you medics out there, what are side effects of Fentanyl? It is a depressive, in fact there have fatalities on small doses. It would NOT have caused agitation or combativeness. Not sayin he should not have been clocked, but is a bummer case.

J. R.sends
DOL

Same as speedballing.

https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/...oin/speedball/

[Old Dog New Trick]

You want to know what’s really disparaging...the pathologist who testified today (coroner, doctor, whatever) who did the autopsy on Floyd for the state, used video evidence to make a determination of death. I mean like really...what the fuck! An autopsy should be based only on pathology of medical evidence and cellular health, toxicology and precipitating factors found within the body.

To use and base your evidence on third party ******* video shows just how unprofessional the coroner’s office is.

Might as well say every drug overdose death is a result of “body-cam video evidence of properly applied restraint techniques used by police.”

[Patriot007]

I agree. The prosecution also used a critical care/pulmonologist as the expert witness to testify that GF died by asphyxiation. His testimony was based on nothing but opinion and propaganda. He had no business being in that court room and the defense should have called them on it. Not only was his testimony not remotely near anything you could call science I would wager this guy never cared for a manual asphyxiation patient in his life, as that is usually the Trauma/critical care realm. He should know what a drug overdose body looks like...but he wasn't asked. A forensic pathologist is the only appropriate expert witness unless they themselves were on scene.

Imagine this: you take methamphetamine and your heart rate and contractility increase, increasing your myocardial oxygen demand. You also are feeling edgy so you start fighting with police, using every muscle in your body. Your myocardium oxygen requirement goes way up, as does the oxygen requirement of your muscles, so your heart works even harder to try to keep the blood and oxygen flowing. You need more oxygen to feed that heart that's working so hard, but the problem is you're screaming like a lunatic instead of breathing normally or compensating with heavy breathing as you would during a run or roll, and then fentanyl starts to take away your respiratory drive- you are now breathing slow and shallow, barely getting enough oxygen in. But even though your respirations are inadequate your heart still has a high need for oxygen, because the methamphetamine tells your heart and your body not to quit. Eventually demand surpasses supply and your myocardium starts to die and your heart fails. You are now dead. Is this murder? Manslaughter?

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

You want to know what’s really disparaging...the pathologist who testified today (coroner, doctor, whatever) who did the autopsy on Floyd for the state, used video evidence to make a determination of death. I mean like really...what the fuck! An autopsy should be based only on pathology of medical evidence and cellular health, toxicology and precipitating factors found within the body.

To use and base your evidence on third party ******* video shows just how unprofessional the coroner’s office is.

Might as well say every drug overdose death is a result of “body-cam video evidence of properly applied restraint techniques used by police.”

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Patriot007

Eventually demand surpasses supply and your myocardium starts to die and your heart fails. You are now dead. Is this murder? Manslaughter?

I'd call it suicidal behavior but I'm just one of those deplorable Neanderthals.