New Army Handgun

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Nothing wrong with the hi-power. They are reliable and accurate. They have had a few upgrades over the years as well. Newer is not always better. In reality how often is a handgun needed in the military? It is usually a last ditch weapon for the average soldier but gets a lot of attention. One of the main weapon in wide use is as old if not older, the M-2 50 cal machine gun. John Browning designed it well before WWII and I don't hear a lot of complaints about it. I bet the M-2 is used a lot more than issue handguns.

It's not a matter of "nothing wrong". It's a matter of is there something better? And there is.
So far as the M2 is concerned....there is nothing better yet.

[CAARNG 68W]

Originally Posted by Combat Diver

One source I read this weekend stated the cost of the new M17 is $207 each. Seems SIG remembers the M9 trails where they got underbid.


CD

Holy Shit!

[TacOfficer]

I have experience with neither weapon, hi-power or P320. That stated, compare cost to make, maintain and durability?

Incidentally, maybe somebody can inform me, I'm curious if the modularity has a negative impact on accuracy? For example the fit of frame to slide etc.

Thanks in advance.

[CDRODA396]

So I guess I was wrong. In reading more the Army is not going to capitalize on the modularity of the gun at all. They are going to buy approx. 280,000 full size versions to replace the M9, and approx. 7,000 compact versions to replace the M11. I guess you'll get one or the other instead of being able to tailor.

[JJ_BPK]

Let me know when the M11A1's are put on surplus...

[CDRODA396]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

Let me know when the M11A1's are put on surplus...

Wont they go to the ANG first?

[LarryW]

Originally Posted by tom kelly

....Follow the money to the advisors and consultants hired by the weapon manufactures, "THE LOBBYIST"

This is it. The bitch in the backseat. Acquisitions at DOD are a cluster gaggle. The foxes have been in the hen house since they shitcanned most of the MIL-SPEC library, rigorous DT/OT&E, and Program Office oversight. Take the operator out of the decision process and the world turns to crap.

Any concerns re: the ammo and ballistics instead of the wrapper? A sheriff once said he carried a .45 because they didn't make a .46. Put a .45 ACP in a 10 round wrapper and let/make people train & learn how to feel all rosy about it. Personally, I'd prefer a .45 ACP with a wrapper made out of steel & which I can carry at Condition-I...or a Grease Gun.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by CDRODA396

So I guess I was wrong. In reading more the Army is not going to capitalize on the modularity of the gun at all. They are going to buy approx. 280,000 full size versions to replace the M9, and approx. 7,000 compact versions to replace the M11. I guess you'll get one or the other instead of being able to tailor.

Buying a thing designed to be disassembled .....but not. Sorta like looking for a shed but buying a boat and cementing it into the back yard patio.


The Joe's are gonna have fun with this

Hopefully it just shoots well

[Ret10Echo]

Well this is interesting...although given the value of the contract with the Army it has the initial appearance of just being a way to get a slice of the pie

R10

Steyr Arms Inc v. Sig Sauer Inc

2:17-cv-00712 Filed: 05/03/2017

Case Updated Daily Latest Docket Entry: 05/11/2017

PATENT INFRINGEMENT 7. STEYR is the owner by assignment of all right, title, and interest in and to United States Letters Patent No. 6,260,301 (hereinafter referred to as “the `301 Patent”) entitled, “Pistol, Whose Housing Is Composed Of Plastic.” A copy of the `301 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit A. 8. The `301 Patent was duly and legally issued on July 17, 2001. The `301 Patent remains in full force and effect. 9. The `301 Patent is directed generally to a pistol having a plastic housing and a multifunction metal part removably inserted into the housing. The multifunction metal part includes the guides for the barrel slide and elements of the trigger mechanism are mounted thereon. (See Exhibit A, Abstract, Summary of Invention).

Copy of the Complaint can be found here

[JJ_BPK]

Steyr Arms Inc v. Sig Sauer Inc

2:17-cv-00712 Filed: 05/03/2017

Case Updated Daily Latest Docket Entry: 05/11/2017

PATENT INFRINGEMENT 7. STEYR is the owner by assignment of all right, title, and interest in and to United States Letters Patent No. 6,260,301 (hereinafter referred to as “the `301 Patent”) entitled, “Pistol, Whose Housing Is Composed Of Plastic.” A copy of the `301 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit A. 8. The `301 Patent was duly and legally issued on July 17, 2001. The `301 Patent remains in full force and effect. 9. The `301 Patent is directed generally to a pistol having a plastic housing and a multifunction metal part removably inserted into the housing. The multifunction metal part includes the guides for the barrel slide and elements of the trigger mechanism are mounted thereon. (See Exhibit A, Abstract, Summary of Invention).



Copy of the Complaint can be found here

That is the argument.. Lots of plastic on the market, but the SIG 320 has a re-movable insert "fire control unit" (with the ATF serial number) as stated in the Steyr pat.