01-13-2016, 10:59
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Maybe the riverine boats were making a delivery to Obama's new besties.
Word got out at the last minute and the cover story was that they got captured adrift...
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01-13-2016, 11:57
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All of those guns, you would think some of them would have worked.
I wonder what their ROE was?
TR
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01-13-2016, 12:19
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I remember when other countries were afraid to provoke us.
And it was not that long ago.
Maybe Kerry will go back to kiss the Iranians' asses again and beg for the sailors' release. Offer Obama's apologies for intruding in international waters. 
Not much else going to happen.
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Funny when they do there's been an incompetent spineless moron sitting in the White House.....
Just wait until President Trump takes office, it will be just like when President Reagan took office....... 
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01-13-2016, 12:57
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Now that they are released....
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01-13-2016, 16:26
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Now that they are released....
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They and everyone in their chain will be signing a fresh new set of NDA's.
"Broke down..." "drifted..." my ass. From some past incidents it seems the IRGC is still making up their own RoE on the fly.
But, hey, we got ourselves "a deal!"
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01-13-2016, 17:27
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Funny when they do there's been an incompetent spineless moron sitting in the White House.....
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You're damn straight
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01-13-2016, 17:31
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All of those guns, you would think some of them would have worked.
I wonder what their ROE was?
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Not sure but I would suspect it wasn't to start a war with Iran especially with this POTUS hell he may offer to have the fleet drop anchor and let Iran take free shots for 30 days as a peace deal AND an apology.
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01-13-2016, 23:52
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Just wait until President Trump takes office, it will be just like when President Reagan took office....... |
I am thinking that a little Aretha Franklin, Oh Happy Days is in order.
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01-14-2016, 01:35
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All of those guns, you would think some of them would have worked.
I wonder what their ROE was?
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Jeez fellas, this is embarrassing. In 23 years of Bush War, we had two soldiers taken prisoner. One badly wounded, the other un-armed.
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01-15-2016, 12:36
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Jeez fellas, this is embarrassing. In 23 years of Bush War, we had two soldiers taken prisoner. One badly wounded, the other un-armed.
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Desert Shield/Storm had a number of US taken as POWs.
But we know now this incident was because the Navy got lost. At least that's what the head Navy Dude says.
You'd think they had more nav gear then you could fit in a rucksack. And the Iranians want to keep it?
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01-15-2016, 12:55
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You'd think they had more nav gear then you could fit in a rucksack.
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Yes sir, something's not tracking. I went flying not long ago with a friend who had the latest toys (but still knows how to use a sectional & compass, which is all I had back when). He had a simple electronic toy that clipped to his kneeboard, basically an app for his iPad, overlayed with all the stuff he needed to avoid things like the ANG base to the east and the AAF delineation & DZ on the south of the nearby base. I knew where this stuff was by sight but he did fine in skirting all of the "don't go here" gates. Have a hard time believing the USN has anything less.
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01-15-2016, 12:59
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Jeez fellas, this is embarrassing. In 23 years of Bush War, we had two soldiers taken prisoner. One badly wounded, the other un-armed.
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Twenty-three years?  There were 8 POWs that were returned and several soldiers that were captured and executed.
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01-15-2016, 13:08
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As I watched this play out and then there was the timing. The come away answer was "create a media crisis to take the SOTU out of the headlines."
That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. I'd say it worked. No one remembers what the president said and what he plans to do in his last year.
Golf clap all around!
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01-15-2016, 15:06
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Twenty-three years? There were 8 POWs that were returned and several soldiers that were captured and executed.
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The war lasted from 1966 to 1989. There were four non-combatant mechanics abducted when they went to recover a vehicle in Angola who were treated as POWS by SWAPO and the MPLA and there were a few other soldiers, including a medic, Bruce Fiddler who was injured, captured, tortured and executed because he wouldn't reveal the whereabouts of his fellow medics to the enemy. Bruce got the Honorus Crux, our version of the MOH. Sapper van der Mescht was maintaining a borehole when he was captured and the two chaps with him executed . Wynand du Toit a Recce (Our SF) was wounded and captured during a sabotage mission. A few of his section were executed on site.
Incidentally, I was on an airborne raid that was, among other things, tasked to rescue van der Mescht but he had been transferred from the camp we attacked two weeks earlier
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01-15-2016, 15:17
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Quote:
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The war lasted from 1966 to 1989. There were four non-combatant mechanics abducted when they went to recover a vehicle in Angola who were treated as POWS by SWAPO and the MPLA and there were a few other soldiers, including a medic, Bruce Fiddler who was injured, captured, tortured and executed because he wouldn't reveal the whereabouts of his fellow medics to the enemy. Bruce got the Honorus Crux, our version of the MOH. Sapper van der Mescht was maintaining a borehole when he was captured and the two chaps with him executed . Wynand du Toit a Recce (Our SF) was wounded and captured during a sabotage mission. A few of his section were executed on site.
Incidentally, I was on an airborne raid that was, among other things, tasked to rescue van der Mescht but he had been transferred from the camp we attacked two weeks earlier
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Oh! I read Bush war as being George W.'s war. 
Pat
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