07-18-2014, 12:27
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The POTUS has vowed to get to the bottom of this. I do not know when he is going to find the time, he has such a long list of things to get to the bottom of.
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07-18-2014, 13:03
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He can put the AG on it. He's not doing anything.
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07-18-2014, 16:36
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The POTUS has vowed to get to the bottom of this. I do not know when he is going to find the time, he has such a long list of things to get to the bottom of.
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Why get involved at all. Other than the manufacturer being a US corporation (and it is clearly not their fault), I don't see what our interest is. Unless we have some agreement/treaty with Malaysia that dictates that we should.
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07-18-2014, 17:08
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I suspect that the "separatists"/ Russians whose names are on the voice intercepts will disappear in the next few days, as will the crew that fired the missile.
Putin will leave no witnesses to his involvement.
Watch and see.
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07-18-2014, 18:48
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I suspect that the "separatists"/ Russians whose names are on the voice intercepts will disappear in the next few days, as will the crew that fired the missile.
Putin will leave no witnesses to his involvement.
Watch and see.
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According to the evening news, their commander, Igor the Rifleman, has already vanished and the assumed launcher system minus 2 missiles was video'd on a HET enroute back to Russia today.
As for the "separatists"...Russia's version of Black Water...
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ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, a former White House counter-terrorism advisor, said that while there are certainly many Ukrainians fighting in the rebel movement, many of the “core” group of militants are actually former soldiers from Russia. By using those men, Clarke said, the Russian government maintains “deniability.”
“They are soldiers of fortune, Rambo types who have fought in Russian wars,” Clarke said. “They are people in close contact with the Russian security services, people who have apartments and homes in Moscow, and people who are probably being paid by Russian security services to be the military heart and core of the rebels… These are the dogs of war.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/pro-ru...ry?id=24627839
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07-20-2014, 12:58
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Why get involved at all. Other than the manufacturer being a US corporation (and it is clearly not their fault), I don't see what our interest is. Unless we have some agreement/treaty with Malaysia that dictates that we should.
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Because there was an American citizen on board? To f*** with Russia? Considering this was a terrorist act, if we needed an excuse this would be it
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07-20-2014, 14:08
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An excuse to do what? We don't have the forces to fight them nor a leader with nuts large enough to try.
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07-20-2014, 14:37
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One difference between this one and our screw up with the Airbus, is that Russia can blame non-state actors and no one will put their feet to the fire over it. Could be wrong, but I just don’t see them admitting to anything and paying a hefty settlement to the families of the deceased, like we had to.
A couple hours into the flight cruising at 33,000 feet and 500 mph, I’d probably have the seat reclined and ear buds in listening to music and sipping on a drink. Those poor souls never saw it coming. RIP.
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07-20-2014, 17:08
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Could be wrong, but I just don’t see them admitting to anything and paying a hefty settlement to the families of the deceased, like we had to.
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Who will pay?
The separatists?
The Russians?
I don't think Vlad is going to do that.
TR
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07-20-2014, 17:23
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Vlad the Puta is still pissed that he was demoted from a prestigious position as a Major in the KGB to President of Russia, that the USSR lost the "Cold War" and Drago lost to Rocky Balboa, and that he's now losing this media campaign in the international marketplace at a time he can't economically afford it.
It's been a tough couple of decades for the guy - he's already lost his shirt and the fish still aren't taking his bait.
Richard
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07-20-2014, 17:40
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...I don't think Vlad is going to do that.
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Agree…Vlad will admit to nothing and pay nothing, and nobody is going to hold them accountable either. Watching the talking heads running with the separatist as the responsible party is IMHO, ridiculous. Vlad handing over a multi-million dollar SAM system and support package that goes along with it to a separatists off the street to take out a plane flying at 33,000’AGL at 475kts with no on-site “advise and assistance” is a long stretch. It’s about as believable as vaporizing IRS emails, but I digress. Heck, we send our newbie 14T’s to a 13-week AIT before they get to ride along in the trucks and learn their jobs to take out something at that altitude.
On a separate note – looks like planes are still diverting around Ukraine and might be for a while: http://www.flightradar24.com/53.38,24.9/4
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07-20-2014, 17:48
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Agree…Vlad will admit to nothing and pay nothing, and nobody is going to hold them accountable either. Watching the talking heads running with the separatist as the responsible party is IMHO, ridiculous. Vlad handing over a multi-million dollar SAM system and support package that goes along with it to a separatists off the street to take out a plane flying at 33,000’AGL at 475kts with no on-site “advise and assistance” is a long stretch. It’s about as believable as vaporizing IRS emails, but I digress. Heck, we send our newbie 14T’s to a 13-week AIT before they get to ride along in the trucks and learn their jobs to take out something at that altitude.
On a separate note – looks like planes are still diverting around Ukraine and might be for a while: http://www.flightradar24.com/53.38,24.9/4 |
Hey, it was a loaner.
What did you expect? 
TR
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07-20-2014, 18:01
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Vlad the Puta is still pissed that he was demoted from a prestigious position as a Major in the KGB to President of Russia, that the USSR lost the "Cold War" and Drago lost to Rocky Balboa, and that he's now losing this media campaign in the international marketplace at a time he can't economically afford it.
It's been a tough couple of decades for the guy - he's already lost his shirt and the fish still aren't taking his bait.
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That's hilarious.
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07-20-2014, 18:04
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Hey, it was a loaner.
What did you expect?
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lol
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07-20-2014, 18:06
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...he's already lost his shirt...
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Damn! He and I are about the same size, and I'm older, but he makes me look in pretty damn good shape. I guess the extra blubber is for the harsh Russian winters. 
Pat
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