Sanity exists in Wisconsin

[longrange1947]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Pssstttttttt ......

It's ....
You're
and
You're


Cheep, Cheep, Cheep ...... little "birdie".

I believe that half, if not more, of the "literate" in the US have not grasped that concept along with the ones mentioned earlier.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Nice !!!!

Thanks, that's a pretty good one.

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Pssstttttttt ......

It's ....
You're
and
You're


Cheep, Cheep, Cheep ...... little "birdie".

Cheep
Cheep
Cheep.....

Originally Posted by longrange1947

I believe that half, if not more, of the "literate" in the US have not grasped that concept along with the ones mentioned earlier.

....SPLAT!!!

BBBut you missed the " 'specially " hole-in-one.


Touche

Oh, and I don't golf

[Rob_Frey]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Nice !!!!

Love this one!!!

[Dozer523]

This is wrong.
Whether it is a Republican (WI) or a Democrat (CA), recalls go against the grain of our form of government. In fact, I'll take that farther and state a Recall is a ballot box coup. I think this is worthy of a Constitutional Challenge.

The way I read the US Blueprint it's supposed to work like this:
We have elections
We pick a leader (President/Govonor/Mayor/Sheriff/Dog Catcher)
They do their job to the best of their ability/as they see fit for their appointed term. And us? we're supposed to watch, and hope, and live with the choice we made.
Come re-election time . . . Did good: return 'em. Not so good: Boot em.
The exception is if they are crooks -- we can impeach them.

Recalls allow a small pissed off group to hijack the system based on a single immediate hot ticket item. Recalls, even though they are elections subvert the whole electorial process.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

This is wrong.
Whether it is a Republican (WI) or a Democrat (CA), recalls go against the grain of our form of government. In fact, I'll take that farther and state a Recall is a ballot box coup. I think this is worthy of a Constitutional Challenge.

The way I read the US Blueprint it's supposed to work like this:
We have elections
We pick a leader (President/Govonor/Mayor/Sheriff/Dog Catcher)
They do their job to the best of their ability/as they see fit for their appointed term. And us? we're supposed to watch, and hope, and live with the choice we made.
Come re-election time . . . Did good: return 'em. Not so good: Boot em.
The exception is if they are crooks -- we can impeach them.

Recalls allow a small pissed off group to hijack the system based on a single immediate hot ticket item. Recalls, even though they are elections subvert the whole electorial process.

That was so well put, we can't just go recalling politicians over policy and that was what the recall in WI was all about. Gov. Walker's first election has been validated by the failure of the recall. This was not a shining moment for the idiots who brought all this on, not to mention a tremendous waste of resources.

[Badger52]

What Dozer says is entirely correct, and what was told to me by many Dems who will remain so but still voted for Walker. Unless the incumbent has broken the law or violated State or Federal Constitution, there's no grounds. Want a do-over? Fine, wait 4 years and get it done. Otherwise it's a hijacking of someone else's vote, not to mention a major distraction from the business at hand.

Wanna kick some ass? Great, drive out & attend the Fast & Furious hearings and jack some people up by the stacking swivel - pick any party, it's a target-rich environment. Otherwise, as my recently departed CO said, "just shut up & train."

[cbtengr]

This was in todays papers, his take on what took place in Wisconsin is spot on. I personally have no use for unions but feel that if you want to belong to one that is your business, just do not force me to join and pay dues.

http://www.presstelegram.com/opinion...e-means-unions

TUESDAY, June 5, 2012, will be remembered as the beginning of the long decline of the public-sector union. It will follow, and parallel, the shrinking of private-sector unions, now down to less than 7 percent of American workers.

The abject failure of the unions to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker - the first such failure in U.S. history - marks the Icarus moment of government-union power. Wax wings melted, there's nowhere to go but down.

The ultimate significance of Walker's union reforms has been largely misunderstood. At first, the issue was curtailing outrageous union benefits, far beyond those of the ordinary Wisconsin taxpayer. That became a nonissue when the unions quickly realized that trying to defend the indefensible would render them toxic for the real fight to come.

So they made the fight about the "right" to collective bargaining, which the reforms severely curtailed. In a state as historically progressive as Wisconsin - in 1959, it was the first to legalize the government-worker union - they thought they could win as a matter of ideological fealty.

But as the recall campaign progressed, the Democrats stopped talking about bargaining rights. It was a losing issue. Walker was able to make the case that years of corrupt union-politician back-scratching had been bankrupting the state. And he had just enough time to demonstrate the beneficial effects of overturning that arrangement: a huge budget deficit closed without raising
taxes, significant school-district savings from ending cozy insider health-insurance contracts, and a modest growth in jobs.
But the real threat behind all this was that the new law ended automatic government collection of union dues. That was the unexpressed and politically inexpressible issue. Without the thumb of the state tilting the scale by coerced collection, union membership became truly voluntary. Result? Newly freed members rushed for the exits. In less than one year, AFSCME, the second largest public-sector union in Wisconsin, has lost more than 50 percent of its membership.
It was predictable. In Indiana, where Gov. Mitch Daniels instituted by executive order a similar reform seven years ago, government-worker unions have since lost 91 percent of their dues-paying membership. In Wisconsin, Democratic and union bosses (a redundancy) understood what was at stake if Walker prevailed: not benefits, not "rights," but the very existence of the unions.
So they fought and they lost. Repeatedly. Tuesday was their third and last shot at reversing Walker's reforms. In April 2011, they ran a candidate for chief justice of the state Supreme Court who was widely expected to strike down the law. She lost.

In July and August 2011, they ran recall elections of state senators, needing three to reclaim Democratic - i.e., union - control. They failed. (The likely flipping of one Senate seat to the Democrats on June 5 is insignificant. The Senate is not in session and won't be until after yet another round of elections in November.)

And then, Tuesday, their Waterloo. Walker defeated their gubernatorial candidate by a wider margin than he had two years ago.

The unions' defeat marks a historical inflection point. They set out to make an example of Walker. He succeeded in making an example of them as a classic case of reactionary liberalism. An institution founded to protect its members grew in size, wealth, power and arrogance. A half-century later these unions were exercising essential control of everything from wages to work rules in the running of government - something that, in a system of republican governance, is properly the sovereign province of the citizenry.

Why did the unions lose? Because Norma Rae nostalgia is not enough, and it hardly applied to government workers living better than the average taxpayer who supports them. And because of the rise of a new constitutional conservatism - committed to limited government and a more robust civil society - of the kind that swept away Democrats in the 2010 midterm shellacking.
Most important, however, because in the end reality prevails. As economist Herb Stein once put it: Something that can't go on, won't. These public-sector unions, acting, as FDR had feared, with an inherent conflict of interest regarding their own duties, were devouring the institution they were supposed to serve, rendering state government as economically unsustainable as the collapsing entitlement states of southern Europe.
It couldn't go on. Now it won't. All that was missing was a political leader willing to risk his career to make it stop. Because, time being infinite, even the inevitable doesn't happen on its own.

[Team Sergeant]

Mr. Krauthammer is an extremely intelligent individual, I really enjoy reading his work.

"government workers living better than the average taxpayer who supports them."

That's what left-wing socialist progressive unions do....... It's going to be fun watching the political "change" in the next four years......

[Remington Raidr]

In point of fact. DA UNIONS had annointed Kathleen Falk, the County Executive of Dane (the county of the state capital) as the "chosen one". DA UNIONS spent months trying to sell her to the rest of the state, but in the primary, Tom Barrett, the mayor of Milwaukee, two time loser, willing to spend federal dollars for a 2.5 mile trolley to nowhere KICKED HER ASS. DA UNIONS got behind Barrett, but what did they have. An ineffective mayor (Detroit lite) who didn't get nuttin' done? In the end, Tommy tried to bring the fire, but, well, like a pissed-off kindergartner he was discounted. The FUNNIEST thing was his wife left teaching at the Milwaukee Public Schools for a suburban elementary school, where my nieces attend, after using the MPS email account to send political stuff (a BIG charge against people that worked for Walker) and she has settled in nicely and by all reports is an excellent teacher.

Of course, I was unhappy when my SIL told me about a new game on the playground, where, if you lose, you gotta go to JUVY. Coincidence????? I HOPE SO!!!!!

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

And because of the rise of a new constitutional conservatism - committed to limited government and a more robust civil society - of the kind that swept away Democrats in the 2010 midterm shellacking. Most important, however, because in the end reality prevails.

The same will happen in November.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

This is wrong.
Whether it is a Republican (WI) or a Democrat (CA), recalls go against the grain of our form of government. In fact, I'll take that farther and state a Recall is a ballot box coup. I think this is worthy of a Constitutional Challenge.

The way I read the US Blueprint it's supposed to work like this:
We have elections
We pick a leader (President/Govonor/Mayor/Sheriff/Dog Catcher)
They do their job to the best of their ability/as they see fit for their appointed term. And us? we're supposed to watch, and hope, and live with the choice we made.
Come re-election time . . . Did good: return 'em. Not so good: Boot em.
The exception is if they are crooks -- we can impeach them.

Recalls allow a small pissed off group to hijack the system based on a single immediate hot ticket item. Recalls, even though they are elections subvert the whole electorial process.

Very well stated Dozer,good post........

Big Teddy

[greenberetTFS]

[QUOTE=Sdiver;452359]Pssstttttttt ......

It's ....
You're
and
You're

Very funny post.......

Big Teddy