The "Last Hard Class" is coming - Page 3

**Pete** · 05-18-2012, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Buffalobob

Equality comes slowly and changes the status quo.

Equality? Or normed equality?

As has been asked before - How many females are there on male pro sports teams?

Dusty · 05-18-2012, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Buffalobob

Equality comes slowly and changes the status quo.

Yeah, well, it's gonna take a while yet before men and women are equal enough to the point that a chick wins the Heisman.

Sulla · 05-18-2012, 11:13

Why can't the standards stay the same? If female officers want such equal respect and competitiveness for promotion, one way to attain it would surely be to rise up to and overcome the same Ranger School standards that men must meet. Sure there would be less female graduates, but those that make it would be very good.

sinjefe · 05-18-2012, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Sulla

Why can't the standards stay the same? If female officers want such equal respect and competitiveness for promotion, one way to attain it would surely be to rise up to and overcome the same Ranger School standards that men must meet. Sure there would be less female graduates, but those that make it would be very good.

Ya know, kid, you should read your own sig line (or mine). Once you have been around the block a few times, you'll learn that there are somethings in the world that just are they way they are.

Buffalobob · 05-18-2012, 14:00

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Equality? Or normed equality?

Equality begins with who makes the rules. I am reminded of the recent statement by the Pope that women cannot talk to God and know his will and therefore he was sending a Bishop to America to tell the 77,000 nuns what God wanted them to do.

Dusty · 05-18-2012, 14:18

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Originally Posted by Buffalobob

Equality begins with who makes the rules. I am reminded of the recent statement by the Pope that women cannot talk to God and know his will and therefore he was sending a Bishop to America to tell the 77,000 nuns what God wanted them to do.

lol Not to worry;, there'll be a female Pope soon enough.

69harley · 05-18-2012, 15:03

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Originally Posted by DIYPatriot

What do you mean by truly earned? And at what costs does cool transcend logical?

Not even worth discussing in depth. It's a given that when this happens, tha standards for women attending Ranger School will be adjusted fromt he male standards, just like everything else in the Army. No news there.

The female soldiers that step up to the plate, and complete the course will have earned it.

An a different but similar note, some would argue that graduates of the current Ranger School POI have not earned it as they did not go through desert phase, or didn't run in jungle boots, or got more than one MRE a day, etc. I did all of those, but probably could not pass the current POI. Things evolve, change.

The females that go to and pass Ranger School will be better as a result. So will the Army.

By the way, some pretty big mukity muks in the Ranger community think this is a good idea.

Enough said about that.

greenberetTFS · 05-18-2012, 15:35

Female Rangers.........

Big Teddy

ZonieDiver · 05-18-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

Female Rangers.........

Big Teddy

But, wouldn't that reallly make them "Rangerettes"?

sinjefe · 05-18-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by 69harley

Not even worth discussing in depth. It's a given that when this happens, tha standards for women attending Ranger School will be adjusted fromt he male standards, just like everything else in the Army. No news there.

The female soldiers that step up to the plate, and complete the course will have earned it.

An a different but similar note, some would argue that graduates of the current Ranger School POI have not earned it as they did not go through desert phase, or didn't run in jungle boots, or got more than one MRE a day, etc. I did all of those, but probably could not pass the current POI. Things evolve, change.

The females that go to and pass Ranger School will be better as a result. So will the Army.

By the way, some pretty big mukity muks in the Ranger community think this is a good idea.

Enough said about that.

Have you been to RS? Have you been in a Ranger Bn or Regiment? Doesn't look like it by your profile. Name the "big mukity muks" (???) and what "ranger community" you are referring to. I am also a member of ArmyRanger.com and the consensus there is way worse than it is here. So, either enlighten us as to why your opinion counts with your bonafides or drink a tall cup of STFU

Dusty · 05-18-2012, 16:28

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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

But, wouldn't that reallly make them "Rangerettes"?

Better photo, better presentation, Zonie. I like it!

aegisnavy · 05-18-2012, 16:45

26 Years ago, I stood on the bridge out to the O-course on Hospital Point at the Boat School and looked at the "Wall". Half of the wall was one height, and the other half was shorter. Immediately I asked my squad leader "Sir, WTH is that for, Sir?"

"Shorter side is for the female midshipmen," came the reply.

Didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. Not the greatest analogy, I know, but it reminds me of that summer way back when. If that is the way it goes, which I suppose it will, it's a crime.

I agree with the BTDT's, it is all part of something nefariously bigger.

Buffalobob · 05-18-2012, 18:23

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ol Not to worry;, there'll be a female Pope soon enough.

It will be really interesting if she is wearing a ranger tab and a CIB!

-Jas- · 05-19-2012, 02:01

In the German Armed Forces Women are allowed to enter every(!) career path including infantry, armour and sf. Does it work? not really...

There are some(!) really outstanding female soldiers who are great leaders and stuff - but we also learned that there is a certain line women just do not cross regularly... but have to if they want to be a good soldier, officer - military leader.

Career paths have been open since 2001/02 i believe and only 50-70 women attended our equivalent of the US Ranger School (we copied/adapted the programm for our Einzelkämpferlehrgang I&II - but downsized it a bit (no airborne and diving here)).

I witnessed a young female officer on the second Course, mostly small unit tactics and guerilla warfare. She failed... miserably - and most notably as a leader AND as a trooper. Regarding that she is one of the "high hopes" and is seriously considered to be on of the first women to work in DEU SF (KSK - Kommando Spezialkräfte - are establishing a female unit for recruiting their search girls) it was pathetic. She did not pass the course either.

And that´s the only hope I´ve got. Finally... we demanded our standards NOT to be lowered and women failed. So if we keep that up, I´ll be the first to shake the hands of the first woman to pass, ´cause then I´ll have a good feeling about her and what she is capable of. But lower the standards just to get some puppies the badge and I´ll rip mine of and burn it...

If Ranger School opens its doors for women, let them in and experience their limits. Then spit ´em out and spread the words

Dusty · 05-19-2012, 05:02

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Originally Posted by -Jas-

Finally... we demanded our standards NOT to be lowered and women failed. So if we keep that up, I´ll be the first to shake the hands of the first woman to pass, ´cause then I´ll have a good feeling about her and what she is capable of. But lower the standards just to get some puppies the badge and I´ll rip mine of and burn it...

Seems to be the consensus over here, as well.