04-17-2012, 09:56
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Also to complete my thought on the biggest lesson learned: "you'll end up being investigated by congress for incompetenece and ethical or moral lapses. I have to say thats about as low as you can possibly go....
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04-17-2012, 10:05
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04-17-2012, 11:35
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This is all political bullshit, IMHO. Doesn't make it right, because it's not, but if anyone for an INSTANT believes this is the first time this type of thing has happened (in any administration) someone is living under a very large rock in a very deep hole.
And by the way, if one of these guys with the prostitutes was my husband, the VERY LAST thing he would have to worry about is the inquiry, because I would have cut off his pee pee and served it to him for dinner.
We all make mistakes, and I will be the first to say that I would not divorce my husband over a one night stand, but when he puts my health at risk by sleeping with a renta-hooha, in a country that is not known for it's cleanliness  , he will never again have to wonder if he can give me something.
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04-17-2012, 16:42
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This is all political bullshit, IMHO. Doesn't make it right, because it's not, but if anyone for an INSTANT believes this is the first time this type of thing has happened (in any administration) someone is living under a very large rock in a very deep hole.
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I don't know...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...mbian-brothel/
CARTAGENA, Colombia — ABC News has learned exclusively that the Secret Service officials accused of misconduct in Colombia revealed their identities by boasting at a Cartagena brothel that they worked for President Obama.
Partying at the “Pley Club” eleven members of the president’s advance team allegedly bragged “we work for Obama” and “we’re here to protect him.”
The officials spent the night throwing back expensive whiskey and enlisting the services of the club’s prostitutes, according to a bouncer at the club and a police source.
Sources tell ABC News several of the men agreed to pay for, and received, services from the “highest category” prostitutes available at the club, who charge upwards of $200.
The men paid for the sexual services in advance but when it came time to settle the bill, there was a dispute over the charges.
The group became belligerent and the police were called. The argument between the officials and the bouncers from the club escalated and ultimately spilled onto the street, according to several eye witness accounts.
The police have since been directed by U.S. authorities not to comment on that night or the scandal surrounding the Secret Service, according to a senior police official in Cartagena.
Prostitution is legal in Colombia and the women who work at the Pley Club live on the premises.
The club, located on a dusty street in the industrial Bosque neighborhood, just blocks from the port, has a rough exterior but boasts plush “pley rooms” inside.
The Pley Club is a well-known brothel in this historic city. Some taxi drivers in the resort-town are paid a commission for recommending the club and its prostitutes to tourists.
Fresh questions have emerged surrounding the number of U.S. officials involved in the controversy and the scope of their misconduct.
Senator Susan Collins, R-Maine, was briefed by the Secret Service for roughly 30 minutes Monday night about the men’s behavior.
Collins later said she was informed that there were about 11 agents involved in the misconduct in Colombia, and “twenty or twenty-one women foreign nationals” were brought to the Hotel Caribe, where the Americans were staying.
Like the police, the staff at the hotel have been instructed by their management not to comment on the men’s behavior. Workers at the hotel tell ABC News they have been told to say they were “off,” “on vacation,” or “working a different shift” when asked about what went on at the hotel.
The members of the Secret Service team, who were in Cartagena on assignment ahead of the president’s visit for the Summit of the Americas, were relieved of their duties and sent home last Friday, the same day Obama arrived.
In addition to the officials being investigated by the Secret Service, the Pentagon said Monday it was investigating as many of 20 members of the military who may have been involved in the partying as well.
The controversy surrounding the officials’ misconduct overshadowed the summit last weekend and local residents are questioning why the city put so many resources into the international event only to be left with a tarnished reputation.
“Cartagena didn’t benefit one cent from President Obama’s visit. All people remember are that the Secret Service agents slept with our prostitutes,” said a man who works in the neighborhood.
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I'm not convinced this shit has ever happened before.
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04-17-2012, 17:29
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"You Shoulda paid the girl and given her a nice tip!
IDIOT.... " Panama Jack
If you tip them well, the girls will give you their panties for a hat liner...
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And probably should have kept those SS credentials concealed as well. Not the best time to blow cover.
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04-17-2012, 17:43
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...not the best time to blow cover.
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04-17-2012, 18:06
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Haha he said blow
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04-17-2012, 19:16
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This is all political bullshit, IMHO. Doesn't make it right, because it's not, but if anyone for an INSTANT believes this is the first time this type of thing has happened (in any administration) someone is living under a very large rock in a very deep hole.
And by the way, if one of these guys with the prostitutes was my husband, the VERY LAST thing he would have to worry about is the inquiry, because I would have cut off his pee pee and served it to him for dinner.
We all make mistakes, and I will be the first to say that I would not divorce my husband over a one night stand, but when he puts my health at risk by sleeping with a renta-hooha, in a country that is not known for it's cleanliness  , he will never again have to wonder if he can give me something.
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Those men went there to try to extract those young women for a life of being enslaved for the pleasure of dirty old men. They were the advance team following orders. One of the brain washed women that definitely had PTSD lost it on the way to the extraction point and blew their cover..... Literally. They are just missunderstood as they were on a mission and if they tell someone they will have to be killed
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04-18-2012, 05:08
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afchic
Those men went there to try to extract those young women for a life of being enslaved for the pleasure of dirty old men. They were the advance team following orders. One of the brain washed women that definitely had PTSD lost it on the way to the extraction point and blew their cover..... Literally. They are just missunderstood as they were on a mission and if they tell someone they will have to be killed 
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04-18-2012, 06:46
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Must be something about Columbia, as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was also seen partying and drinking.
In most bureaucracies, such things could probably occur, but the Secret Service aren't a regular government bureaucracy, they are charged with protecting the president, and are supposed to be the elite of the elite. This kind of thing shouldn't happen with the them.
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I've wondered exactly what motivation the MSM had for bringing this to light, I think you hit on it.
Scandal is scandal and it sells ads - those SS agents are supposed to be nameless, featureless, omniscient, invisible guardians of the most powerful man in the most powerful country in the world.
Now look at how the actions of a few, or one of them has tarnished the image of their organization and the image of our leadership to the Columbians and anyone else who pays attention to the drivel that oozes from the mouths of the MSM talking heads.
Their mistakes would have been dealt with (I'm sure) within their department. With the media coverage their mistakes will now be dealt with by a much larger set of people.
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04-18-2012, 06:56
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Boys will be boys, and I've done my share of carousing down south; I can honestly say though, that if I was in the advance party to set up security for the POTUS in Columbia or anywhere else, I wouldn't even THINK about f.cking around shitfaced with whores.
Not too damn professional, IMO.
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04-18-2012, 09:51
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Speaking of blow...
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Haha he said blow 
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The Secret Service sure knows how to party.
Cocaine and several bottles of whiskey apparently fueled the elite agents’ boneheaded fling with about 20 hookers at a posh hotel in Cartagena, Colombia, a hotel staffer told The Post.
The employee responded to the trashed room with police and other Hotel El Caribe workers when one prostitute raised hell after a Secret Service member initially refused to pay her.
“When I went upstairs I walked into a messy room. The room was littered with two whiskey bottles — and a line of white powder, I believed to be cocaine, was on top of a round glass table in the room,” the staffer told The Post.
He painted a picture of morning-after mayhem in the lobby — just two days before President Obama landed in the country for an international summit.
“The prostitute was screaming in the lobby that he didn’t pay her,” the early-morning shift worker recalled. “She looked like she had a few drinks in her. She just wanted what was promised to her.
“She was very upset,” he said.
“The agent was supposed to pay her a [bar] fine on top of the pay rate for her sexual services, but he didn’t,” he said, referring to the local practice of paying a fee to the red-light district hot spot Pley Club to take one of its “dancers” out on a date, and then another fee directly to the woman.
The Secret Service didn’t return calls for comment.
At least 11 Secret Service members and 10 US military personnel partied with as many as 21 hookers at the hotel, according to Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), chair of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee.
“Who were these women? Could they have been members of groups hostile to the United States? Could they have planted bugs, disabled weapons, or in any other ways jeopardized security of the president or our country?” she fumed.
“Given the number of personnel involved, does this indicate a problem with the culture of the Secret Service?”
Additional reporting by Geoff E
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04-18-2012, 10:46
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Wow, as a general rule I have very little confidence in the accuracy of media reports, but, if this is in the slightest bit accurate, then I take back my hesitancy to call into question the SS's culture. Think about this, if this alleged behavior was considered permissible by more than 1 or 2 members within this unit at the time of a POTUS overseas visit into a country that has an active insurgency, then you have a systemic issue that cannot be explained as abhorrent. These guys all need to go and it doesn't stop until they reach the Director. In fact, regardless of the Director's professional and personal integrity, he has to resign, IMO no other option is available in order to fix this and again my opinion is contingent upon the accuracy of the recent allegations.
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04-18-2012, 10:51
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Wow, as a general rule I have very little confidence in the accuracy of media reports, but, if this is in the slightest bit accurate, then I take back my hesitancy to call into question the SS's culture. Think about this, if this alleged behavior was considered permissible by more than 1 or 2 members within this unit at the time of a POTUS overseas visit into a country that has an active insurgency, then you have a systemic issue that cannot be explained as abhorrent. These guys all need to go and it doesn't stop until they reach the Director. In fact, regardless of the Director's professional and personal integrity, he has to resign, IMO no other option is available in order to fix this and again my opinion is contingent upon the accuracy of the recent allegations.
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Definitely agree with you there, however, the NYP is usually pretty good, and this isn't an AP or Rueters re-hash, it is their own reporting. Even if the coke belonged to/was used by the girls without SS involved in it or even knowing(i.e. after they went to sleep), this is very bad, any way you look at it.
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04-18-2012, 10:56
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Ahhhh...sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? 
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