Swing States Poll: A Shift by Women puts Obama in Lead

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Susa

Education has not been in the forefront of this election cycle, yet. I saw this article this morning... And it would appear that you are indeed, correct, AFChic. I certainly hope so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1402529.html

From your linked story

"..........While the College Board poll didn't get into specific policy questions related to teaching or teachers' unions, it did find that the majority of swing voters view increased education funding as an important issue, and that 55 percent of swing voters would pay $200 more in taxes to get more money to schools.............."

Since education is a "local" issue it's interesting that they didn't break out a local vs state vs federal increase in taxes and spending.

When you enter "funding" per child you end up sinking into a rabbithole of twisted facts and figures.

But looking at the published figures for Cumberland County you get $8,259 per student.

http://www.ccs.k12.nc.us/StatsFacts.htm

The better private schools - excluding Fayetteville Ac. - around here are running on (tuition) around $4,000 per year - plus a couple of hundred in fees. Classroom size in the private schools are around 15 or 16ish.

Also the student population in the county school system has remained +/- 53,000 since 1996.

Public schools have shown throwing money at a problem does not fix it - but people think it does.

A class of 16 at a private school brings in $64,000. A class of 16 at a public school brings in $132,144 - of what - the teacher gets maybe $35,000? Where does that money go?

$4,000 divided by 12 = a car payment.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Susa

Education has not been in the forefront of this election cycle, yet. I saw this article this morning... And it would appear that you are indeed, correct, AFChic. I certainly hope so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1402529.html

If I was POTUS for a day, I would do away with the Department of Education via a Presidential Directive, that the current POTUS is so fond of signing.

Maybe once we let the states deal with education, without any freebies from the Feds, they can better manage their districts.

When I lived in Shamong New Jersey, our school district was comprised of ONE elementary school, and ONE Jr. High. All the little towns around us, ie Tabernacle, Medford, Medford Lakes, etc, all within a 1/2 mile of each other had the same set up. Then there was a seperated district for the ONE high school in our area. When we left in 2005 our property taxes were about 9K.

Everytime the citizens got together to try and force the districts to combine, the teacher's union got involved and made sure that didn't happen. Because how else were 10-15 administrators going to pull $150K+ salaries?

Luckily we were so far out in the sticks of the Pine Barrens that the classrooms weren't full and the teachers had plenty of time to help out kids if they were having problems.

Yet what always amazes me is that the teachers who don't make as much as the administrators always support the outrageous salaries . I could understand if they had hopes to fill those positions on down the road, but most do not. Don't they understand that they would be making more if they combined some of these smaller districts and had one superintendant?

Richard and Zonie, maybe you can explain it to me.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by afchic

I think you gentlemen will find that us conservative women are growing in numbers. We may not get as much face time as Nancy Pelosi and that hag Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, but there is going to be a great upheaval soon.

I don't. That's just wishful thinking on your part. The opposite is true.

[Stargazer]

I don't know if women are really that dumb... Personally, I don't think polls hold a lot of water. This particular poll is a sampling of 933 'registered' female voters in 10 swing states.

Having said that, I do believe stating positions on issues such as contraception, abortion, etc... is walking into a firestorm. There will never be a win, as it is extremely personal to women. This is understandable since the choices have direct physical and emotional consequences that go beyond a philosophical discussion of morally right and wrong. It's as personal and controversial as the 'right to die'.

If I was advising a potential candidate, I'd tell them to separate their personal belief from what the role of government should be. If stated correctly, it will respect women beyond their personal politics. Those with extreme views on opposing sides of the spectrum will never be satisfied.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

I don't. That's just wishful thinking on your part. The opposite is true.

May be wishful thinking in your neck of the woods, but not mine.

[Dusty]

Isn't it time we expand our tolerance to encompass penis envy?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/05/ob...-golf-dispute/


The White House’s spokesman said Thursday that the president believes that a golf club in Augusta, Ga., 551 miles from the White House, should change its membership rules and admit women as members.

The golf club in question is the Augusta National Golf Club, which is hosting the high-profile Masters tournament this week.

“It is obviously up to the club to decide, but his personal opinion is that women should be admitted to the club,” Obama’s spokesman, Jay Carney, said in response to a question from a reporter.

The private club does not invite women to be members. Feminist groups are pressuring the club, and its corporate sponsors, to change its long-standing rule.

However, Obama is trying to bolster support with feminist groups, partly because he’s trying to maximize favorable turnout among women in the November election.

Obama “believes Augusta should admit women. We’re kinda long past the time when women should be excluded from anything,” Carney said.

The new announcement reflects Obama’s view that the administration should play a larger role in the nation’s economy and civil society.

Snip/Click for vid of Opie I mean Carney.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/05/ob...#ixzz1rCMhyJnG

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by afchic

May be wishful thinking in your neck of the woods, but not mine.

With all due respect, it is wishful thinking everywhere.

Just one example of supporting data:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...h-survey_N.htm

[steel71]

Originally Posted by afchic

Well that is an interesting take on women. So you are stating that because some women, for whatever reason, become prostitutes and have a pimp, all women shouldn't be allowed to vote? Interesting.

It is almost as interesting as the portion of the Koran that states a woman can not provide testimony during a trial because women are emotional creatures and therefore can not be trusted to give truthful testimonty because their emotions inherently get in the way.

I probably should of been more straight forward. Women base many decisions on their emotions, not all, but most do. Manipulators know this too, and take advantage of it. Governments throughout history like to use a fear base promotion to expand its power over the people. From there, I think you know where I'm coming from. Anyways, it doesn't matter these days, since Western society has been largely feminized, most men fall for the fear promotion too. Never mind, the cult of safety that's driving me nuts. If I hear another guy say, "have a safe day", I'll punch him in the face. Not really, but I can dream of it-- until that gets regulated too...

[afchic]

Originally Posted by steel71

I probably should of been more straight forward. Women base many decisions on their emotions, not all, but most do. Manipulators know this too, and take advantage of it. Governments throughout history like to use a fear base promotion to expand its power over the people. From there, I think you know where I'm coming from. Anyways, it doesn't matter these days, since Western society has been largely feminized, most men fall for the fear promotion too. Never mind, the cult of safety that's driving me nuts. If I hear another guy say, "have a safe day", I'll punch him in the face. Not really, but I can dream of it-- until that gets regulated too...

So you have taken a scientific poll on "most" women have you?

[ZonieDiver]

So you have taken a scientific poll on "most" women have you?

I'll volunteer to assist in that undertaking!

From there, I think you know where I'm coming from.

No, not really!

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

So you have taken a scientific poll on "most" women have you?

I have, and have determined that they are absolutely essential to life as we know it on this planet.

[DIYPatriot]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I have, and have determined that they are absolutely essential to life as we know it on this planet.

So did Clinton...and now you know why he got most of the female vote!

[steel71]

Originally Posted by afchic

So you have taken a scientific poll on "most" women have you?

Nope, just my personal opinion...

[Richard]

So...Dusty, steel71, and RL having a conversation on women's issues with afchic...

And so it goes...

Richard

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Richard

So...Dusty, steel71, and RL having a conversation on women's issues with afchic...

And so it goes...

Richard

Well, at least ONE woman is involved... unlike the media-wise Republicans who arranged that panel discussion with "religious leaders" on birth control!