Arab Like Me

[Penn]

The article connects the cultural thread between the Israeli and American Jewish community, pointing out the symbiotic relationship “united not only at the hip but, more viscerally, at the heart”. Clearly, the speech’s intention was to unite the audience of American Jews to Israeli interest. The article also states that the Birthright of Israeli citizenship is for any Jew, regardless of place of birth. This is a pragmatic means of enlisting undying loyalty in Israel’s historical fight to survive as a nation.

But, Israel ruling elite use of this tribal allegiance to defend every political move, implicate Israel impact is to the detriment of American people and a manipulation of our national interest.

To state that Israel and American have similar political structure and origins, is correct. We are two Nation that can claim their origins in genocide. But, that’s not my point, that’s just a minor correction and a historical observation.

In addition, it isn’t about Soros, or any other person for that matter. It is simply this attacking propaganda policy/method, which curtails an investigation into the truth of why American Foreign policy towards Israel is not open to discussion.

In comments posted by an Israeli in the blog 926mag is any evidence, one could conclude that this statement is prideful, if not outright boosting of the influence exerted on American National interest worldwide. The post I am referencing: ARISTEIDES in the link I provided earlier.

“The hounds have thoroughly cowed the media into believing that any reference to Jewishness is going to bring on accusations of anti-semitism”.

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Penn

The article connects the cultural thread between the Israeli and American Jewish community, pointing out the symbiotic relationship “united not only at the hip but, more viscerally, at the heart”. Clearly, the speech’s intention was to unite the audience of American Jews to Israeli interest. The article also states that the Birthright of Israeli citizenship is for any Jew, regardless of place of birth. This is a pragmatic means of enlisting undying loyalty in Israel’s historical fight to survive as a nation.

But, Israel ruling elite use of this tribal allegiance to defend every political move, implicate Israel impact is to the detriment of American people and a manipulation of our national interest.

To state that Israel and American have similar political structure and origins, is correct. We are two Nation that can claim their origins in genocide. But, that’s not my point, that’s just a minor correction and a historical observation.

In addition, it isn’t about Soros, or any other person for that matter. It is simply this attacking propaganda policy/method, which curtails an investigation into the truth of why American Foreign policy towards Israel is not open to discussion.

In comments posted by an Israeli in the blog 926mag is any evidence, one could conclude that this statement is prideful, if not outright boosting of the influence exerted on American National interest worldwide. The post I am referencing: ARISTEIDES in the link I provided earlier.

Agreed. IMHO: Some of our policy towards Israel could use critical analysis, however, in policy and politics, there will always be a (well-paid) lobbyist somewhere crying foul in the interest of those who fund him/her. Some cries, like anti semitism, are almost always louder than others, whether the wolf is there or not. In the words of a venerable member of this forum: And so it goes...

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by BOfH

In the words of a venerable member of this forum: And so it goes...

Venerable?
Wow. I didn't know he was that old.

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Venerable?
Wow. I didn't know he was that old.

venerable[1]:
a : calling forth respect through age, character, and attainments

[1]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/venerable

Fine, age too

[akv]

FWIW I just finished "Forged in Fury" by Michael Elkins a book dealing with the Holocaust and Jewish Vengeance. Initially there is so much horrific detail of the evils inflicted upon the Jews during the war, it is hard to believe this isn't embellished, then without skipping a beat Elkins goes right into the brutal vengeance taken by Holocaust survivors since the war, not shirking from describing their acts of revenge in stark detail. (For example a stifled post war 1945 plot to poison a city of one million Germans, not Nazis, but Germans in payback.) If anything an insight into the hardening of those who survived and their mindset "Jews can only depend on Jews" Frankly, the Arabs despite their superior numbers had no idea of the buzz saw they were attacking. Brutalized survivors with superior leadership, fighting for their lives are a formidable foe. This was years ago, but it does give you some insight into what the Jews who settled Israel experienced, the culture they passed down, and why they do what they do, the Israelis are their own worst enemy.

As an American, Israel is far from a perfect ally, and they share responsibility for the troubles of the region, however they are the most stable democracy in the region, and frankly history indicates they fight better than the Arabs. Our interests are going to be aligned with theirs more often then their neighbors. Until such point and time as Israel's neighbors modernize and adopt democracy, why should America's bias change in the least?

[PRB]

"Maybe, over time, Arabs will build governments worthy of their people, as Israel and America have done."

They've done that.

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by akv

FWIW I just finished "Forged in Fury" by Michael Elkins a book dealing with the Holocaust and Jewish Vengeance. Initially there is so much horrific detail of the evils inflicted upon the Jews during the war, it is hard to believe this isn't embellished, then without skipping a beat Elkins goes right into the brutal vengeance taken by Holocaust survivors since the war, not shirking from describing their acts of revenge in stark detail. (For example a stifled post war 1945 plot to poison a city of one million Germans, not Nazis, but Germans in payback.) If anything an insight into the hardening of those who survived and their mindset "Jews can only depend on Jews" Frankly, the Arabs despite their superior numbers had no idea of the buzz saw they were attacking. Brutalized survivors with superior leadership, fighting for their lives are a formidable foe. This was years ago, but it does give you some insight into what the Jews who settled Israel experienced, the culture they passed down, and why they do what they do, the Israelis are their own worst enemy.

As an American, Israel is far from a perfect ally, and they share responsibility for the troubles of the region, however they are the most stable democracy in the region, and frankly history indicates they fight better than the Arabs. Our interests are going to be aligned with theirs more often then their neighbors. Until such point and time as Israel's neighbors modernize and adopt democracy, why should America's bias change in the least?

Thanks akv, I got another title to read on my long list of "things to read eventually" FWIW I agree, while I am not aware of any vengeance outside of summary executions of SS camp staff*, rumor has it that the words "Never Again" in Hebrew and English are welded on to the first nuclear warhead Israel created. So, while the "You can't trust nobody" attitude hasn't made them many friends, its also the fading of that attitude that gets them into trouble, again. Kind of like the lobster in boiling water, you can't get too comfortable.

*I had relatives on both sides during the war, lost 7 great great aunts in Auschwitz, and my grandfather along with his brothers served in various capacities in the US Army, Marines and OSS. Considering the stories that grandfather related, I guess my interest of that time period was a bit heavy on the US and allied campaigns...

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by BOfH

Badger52,
You raise a very valid point. MOO: Overall, I agree, it is a useless distraction, however, they should be taken taken to task for their "Jewishness" when they attempt to twist Jewish law in favor of the positions they support, which they do from time to time. A fine example is Soros and his views on gun control, which along with (Rabbi) Eric Joffe, he attempts to reconcile with Jewish law. If anything, the opposite is true: In Deuteronomy, G-D exhorts the people to "Live by them[the laws]", the Sages extrapolate that one's own life trumps Jewish law in all but three cases(the three cardinal sins). The use of deadly force in protection of ones own life is not only permitted, but mandated by Jewish law. When you have a moment, look for Rabbi David Bendory's video on gun control and Jewish law.

Good points you mention, thanks. I'll look for the vid. The view you cite (correct imo) is also completely in line with R-C catechism on the subject of the duty to defend one's life, life being precious and Divinely bestowed and the would-be taker of same just gets what they deserve. I'm of neither faith; had to research quite a bit of this as we attempt to take WI backwards into pre-1897 in certain areas. You & I are trackin. Soros isn't the first to pervert dicta to his own desire for some collective end, that results in people realizing too late that they should've owned a "get on the train" gun and known how to use it.

The media seem to have no problem citing the corruption of so-called "peaceful" doctrine by a few "radicalized" ones when speaking of Islam, but I don't think they have the stones to touch the 3rd rail you suggest of addressing how someone like Soros (or anyone so motivated) would corrupt established Judaic writings.

[BOfH]

Badger52,
The video that I mentioned can be found here: http://blip.tv/play/AYH7zBEC

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by BOfH

Badger52,
The video that I mentioned can be found here: http://blip.tv/play/AYH7zBEC

Thanks; will catch it at home (dang filter).