Pedophile State

[cbtengr]

I originally gave the coach the benefit of the doubt but must admit that he was as culpable as anyone for this going on the past nine years. The assistant has got to go too, anyone with first hand knowledge of this has got to GO! The majority of folks are not gonna remember Paterno for those 409 wins.

[dr. mabuse]

Loyalty above all except football, er, honor.

McQueary is not a man of diminutive stature. I wasn't there. If it's true, how many future victims could have been saved if McQueary practiced the old " A man wouldn't take it" mindset.

Was in a very similar situation as McQueary in the 70's and handled it differently and payed very,very dearly for doing the right thing, standing up to crooked police officers.

No regrets, no excuses. BTDT.

[Pete]

The students are voicing their opinions today and it seems to be "Ehh, no big deal. Back to the Game.l"

Free Love and all, ya' know.

[akv]

College kids running around protesting stupid things isn't anything novel, this whole thing is so repulsive, as previously posted, I've always preferred college football to the NFL with an appreciation for the old school traditions and history of Penn State, but those young kids mean more than football, a disgusting leadership fail for Paterno, no sympathy for him here.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by WCH

Tell that to the young men and women who have the opportunity to play college sports and earn a degree. Tell that to the 40, 50, 60, 70, and 80 year olds that played for them. They are educators, mentors, and father figures who help shape the lives of our future generations.

WCH Sir,

Agree with your post 110%.

Lumping all in to a category due to this one person's actions seems a bit outlandish to me, as my college sports coach helped me by, with and through obstacles that presented themselves, and in my later life, I tried to emulate those qualities when coaching those under me...in quite a few areas actually.

JMHO,

Holly

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky

I don't know diddly about Old Joe.

Then why did you make comments about what "Old Joe" likes?

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Then why did you make comments about what "Old Joe" likes?

Meh. Really?

[Dirt Gallo]

This entire situation stinks.

How much of it Joe Pa knew ... who knows. But, he took part in sweeping it under the rug, therefore, deserves whatever they throw at him. He was in a position of authority in his tiny corner of the world and could have done something about it. He did not.

As for what he has done and what he has contributed to Penn State? So what. Sandusky gave the boys gifts too. That doesn't make it any more right.

Let 'em burn.

But, then again, it's just my opinion... and my name is Nobody.

[Asset83]

Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

Joe Paterno is a civilian as am I. I do not have a chain of command and I don't have to ask any boss's permission to go to the police if something like this happens, nor would I ask permission. No one including Paterno did the honoragle thing by making sure Sandusky was arrested for his behavior.

Very true. To make matters worse, Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time; he wasn't part of any so-called "chain of command". Sandusky retired in 1999 when he was informed he wasn't going to be Paterno's successor. He stayed in the area and was allowed use of the facilities at any time, including the 2002 incident the graduate assistant witnessed.

[Susa]

So the 28 year old grown man "grad student" who witnessed the 10 year old child being attacked in the shower by the monster Sandusky is now a receivers coach for Penn State? He is still employed by the school. This makes absolutely no sense. Mike McQueary is a coward and he deserves to not only lose his job, but be brought up on charges as well. Sickening.

[tonyz]

The attached article provides an interesting perspective from a couple of NHL players (I believe Fleury has retired) who were molested as children.

The fact that these guys are/were in the NHL does not make them special but it does provide them a platform to communicate with other victims and families.


http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7...-state-scandal

Remember the children

By Rick Reilly
ESPN.com


Excerpts:

This is not about Joe Paterno.

If these boys really were molested, groped and raped by a middle-aged ex-Penn State football coach, then whatever misjudgment Paterno made will be a single lit match compared to the bonfire these boys will walk in for years to come.

Many of them won't be able to trust. Won't be able to love. Won't be able to feel -- nor trust or love themselves.

Don't feel sorry for Paterno. He's had his life. Feel sorry for these boys, because they may never get one.

Ask former NHL All-Star Theo Fleury, who has reached out on Twitter and radio to the alleged victims of Jerry Sandusky. Fleury was sexually molested once or twice a week for two years by his youth hockey coach, Graham James. It twisted Fleury so inside-out that he numbed himself for years with booze, cocaine and strippers. He blew much of the $50 million he made in the NHL trying to forget. The coach he'd entrusted his hockey dreams to flayed open his soul for his own sexual perversions and left Fleury hollow.

"I no longer had faith in myself or my own judgment," Fleury, 43, wrote in his book "Playing with Fire." "Once it's gone, how do you get it back? ... I became a f---ing raging, alcoholic lunatic."

Ask former Red Wing, Flame and Bruin Sheldon Kennedy. He was sexually molested by James every Tuesday and Thursday night at parent-approved sleepovers at James' house from age 14 to 19. This snake even took Fleury and Kennedy to Disneyland, where he groped them, by turn, in a motel room. It left Kennedy so shamed and confused that suicide looked better to him than living with the guilt of it another day.

"You can't trust anybody afterwards," Kennedy said yesterday from Toronto, where he runs RespectGroupInc.com, an organization that teaches adults how to recognize abuse. "So you tend to live a very lonely life. You mask the horrible way you're feeling with sex and gambling and drugs. You put all these walls up. You keep saying, 'Why didn't I say anything? I must've done something wrong. I let him do it to me.'"

Imagine: One reported victim in the Penn State case, now 24, has been living with that kind of hole growing inside him since he made allegations against Sandusky in 1998 -- 13 years ago. Those allegations never led to charges. That's 13 years of not being believed, of knowing his alleged perpetrator was out there, volunteering at high schools and running his grisly camp "tours" of the shower room.

The horror of it makes you want to punch somebody. If Kennedy could talk to boys Sandusky might have abused who haven't come forward yet?

"Tell someone," says Kennedy, now 42. "Because people are going to believe you. People know it's not your fault."

No, this isn't about 84-year-old Joe Paterno not taking more steps that might have stopped it. It's about everybody not taking more steps that might have stopped it. Not parents, not teachers, not uncles, not friends, not counselors.

Imagine: Victim One, according to the Harrisburg (Pa.) Patriot-News, was often taken out of class by Sandusky to be further molested. Just taken out of school by somebody who wasn't his parent, with no questions asked until his mother finally called the principal and asked her to check into it. Later that day, the principal called back in tears. "You need to come down here right now."

According to a 1998 study on child sexual abuse by Boston University Medical School, one in six boys in America will be abused by age 16. For girls, it's one in four by the age of 14. Those "If you see something, say something" billboards shouldn't just be about terrorism. They may apply to sex abuse, too. Doesn't matter if it's your uncle, your longtime assistant coach or your buddy. You HAVE to say something. And yet, precious few people have the guts to say anything at all.
"The fear is too strong," Kennedy says. "People don't know what to do. They think, 'Oh my god, how bad is this going to look? What are we going to do now that we've let this guy operate right under our noses? We better keep quiet.' But it can't work like that anymore."

Does Kennedy blame Paterno?

"Does he have grandkids? [Yes, 17.] How would he feel if it were one of his grandkids in that shower with the coach? What would he have done? Somehow, the perpetrator felt welcome at that school. We need systems in place that make perpetrators feel unwelcome."

What must those boys feel like, right now, as all this darkness gets played out in front of the camera lights?

"Probably second-guessing themselves," Kennedy says. "Coming forward doesn't get these boys any further ahead in life. It isn't easy. But it has to happen."
The road these boys are on now is endless and buckled and uphill. Some will hate their parents for not protecting them and hate themselves for hating them. They will hate the pervert for tricking them and hate themselves for being tricked. And just when they think this cruel and long legal process is over, it can start all over again.

Imagine: Kennedy's abuser, James, got 3½ years but was pardoned by the Canadian National Parole Board in 2007. Currently, he is out on bail, awaiting sentencing on nine more counts of sexual abuse and who knows how many more sinister trips to motel rooms.

If all these charges turn out to be true, though, soon he and Sandusky will both be going to prison -- a place where, with any luck, they will feel most unwelcome.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

Because I know a little bit about human behavioral patterns, insofar as they pertain to matters of this magnitude. Kind of like how I know that your post here is an attempt on your part to get me to engage in some sort of time wasting pissing match with you.

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Then why did you make comments about what "Old Joe" likes?

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Lthrnck1775

@ Sigaba

My main issue is that there are "allegations" and an "indictments" so far... yet everyone claims to already KNOW what JoePa knew and when.... also no one knows HOW this Grad Asst conveyed the info that he witnessed - and THAT guy still has a job??? WTF?

I do agree that it LOOKS like everyone dropped the ball, did no follow up, or worse deliberately buried it..... but it seems everyone already KNOWS all the answers.

I would fault everyone for not insuring that the Grad Asst went to the police FIRST.

Lingering questions: Why is the Grad Asst exempt from all this - as a first hand WITNESS!? Where is the mother/father of the boys police report and investigation? Why did EVERYONE ignore the 2002 "shower incident" for 9 YEARS?

Just seems the lynch mob wants eveyone's (oops, i mean only JoePa's) blood first, ask questions later.

Lthrnck1775--

I can see your point about wanting to make sure there's a complete and full inquiry into all the circumstances surrounding this debacle.

I can also understand your concern that this situation is being used by some to make broad generalizations that are driven by assumptions but unsubstantiated by any kind of actual evidence.

Both of your viewpoints merit consideration--especially on the heels of the thoughtful discussion of the controversy that Michael Yon started.

However, I believe that the questions you raised in your reply add further justification for Paterno's removal. That is, not only did Paterno--by his own admission--fail to report an attack on a child to the police, he also failed to put Mike McQueary in a position to do the right thing--that is, to report directly the attack to the authorities.

[Remington Raidr]

Originally Posted by Susa

Paterno is hardly being reprimanded for his despicable inaction regarding this case. His contract was up at the end of this season anyways. All the bastards involved in this deserve to be punished. From the 28 yr. old grown man "grad student" to Paterno himself. The victims were 10 and 11 year old children.

Mike McQueary Will Have to Publicly Live with His Cowardice: A Fan’s Perspective
By Pete Lieber, Yahoo! Contributor Network
Nov 9, 1:43 pm EST

Mike McQueary never asked to be a hero. On March 1, 2002, then a 28-year old graduate assistant for Joe Paterno's Penn State Nittany Lions football program, McQueary was doing what so many young coaches do as they scratch and claw from the bottom of a competitive totem pole to earn a respected place in their coaching community. He was working late.


Now (or for the time being) the recruiting coordinator and wide receivers coach for PSU, McQueary entered the locker room at approximately 9:30 p.m. to put away a new pair of sneakers and to grab some recruiting tape to undoubtedly pour over through the night. Coaching at that level doesn't put a damper on free time, it extinguishes it. There are never enough hours in a day. So, when McQueary entered that locker room like he had so many times before, there is no doubt that what he came upon would bewilder, frighten, and possibly confuse anybody of right mind who stumbled upon it. The following was taken directly from the grand jury report, and if you haven't read it, it's graphic in nature:

"As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught."

There can't possibly be anything that would prepare you to see something that egregious in the realm of humanity. On its base, I feel for McQueary for having to witness it. However, in comparison to how I feel for the unnamed, faceless ten year old boy that was treated to the business end of sodomy by a sadistic, purely evil, predator, McQueary was treated to ice cream that night. And that is why his cowardice in fleeing the situation is as high in culpability as the perpetration of the crime itself. Something in McQueary's head told him that running to his office to call his father to ask what to do was the prudent move. Something in his father's head thought the prudent thing to do would be to have his son leave the building and come over to the house to discuss it. Meanwhile, there was a 10-year old boy in the shower with a monster. He was left there. This was not some infant swaddled in warm blankets abandoned on the front step of a hospital. This was a boy, a thinking, petrified, innocent child being left out in a cold that not many of us could ever imagine.

Mike McQueary, I ask you, will you stand in front of a microphone and answer the question—what were you thinking? Your father told you to go to Paterno and the administration, It lends a lot of evidence to the kind of man you are knowing the man that raised you didn't tell you to contact law enforcement. Will you stand up for your father if I call him a coward to? What were you thinking, Mike? Do you have children? What if it was your son? I'm not sure if you're married, but think about that old scenario where the spouse walks in on their wife with another man? Would that have been enough to make you act? Or would you have just walked out of that room distraught as well? What would dad have told you to do there?


We all know Mike McQueary didn't walk in that locker room expecting to be faced with a situation where heroism was needed. That boy didn't need an out and out hero that night. Neither did the victims after him. What they needed was a leader. Hell, what they needed was a human being.

Instead, they got Mike McQueary.

SOURCE:

CBSnews.com

GRAND JURY REPORT—Sandusky Grand Jury Presentment

Yahoosports.com

Pete Lieber is a freelance writer and a Philadelphia sports enthusiast. Follow him on Twitter at @Lieber14.

[PedOncoDoc]

This whole ordeal truly disgusts me. Ironically, Sanduksy's book is titled, Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story.

There are some interesting (read entertaining but sick) fake reviews on the link provided.