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Old 10-18-2011, 16:31   #31
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Rola Qaddura said...

I am Rola Qaddura. It is sad to say that I have been forbidden to talk about my case. My case has created an international controversy. My name was used in every article with partial information that is leading to an incorrect image about Muslims trying to impose Sharia in the Texas legal code.

Let me start by briefly telling my story. I was a petitioner of the mentioned lawsuit for divorce and custody that was based on physical abuse.

After prolonged battles in Texas District Court all parties signed an Islamic Arbitration agreement to arbitrate the case. District Court denied it. The Court of Appeal ruled that the agreement is valid and enforceable.

After all arbitration is arbitration.

In 2004 while arbitration was taking place a signed order from a District Court was presented to us to revoke arbitration and return to court for a final hearing. The order was signed the same morning of arbitration. Arbiters had to stop the hearing.

In Tarrant County the Muslim community is a big target for judicial elections. I am a party of the mentioned Islamic Arbitration. While the election were taking place in 2006 the court has ordered me not to talk to anyone about my case or to anyone at Mosques, to the extend if I need to seek help from the Mosque I have to do it through my attorney.

I am an American Muslim I have turned to the legal system to protect me and my children. When they didn't I had to ask for arbitration and still they will not allow it.

I have been a victim and now my children are too. I have experienced the true meaning of losing human rights. I have lived in fear, pain and still under threat. Respecting the Civil law I have complied with Court orders regardless of its fairness. I have paid 75% of my income in child support and since then I have seen my children 4 times only.

Ten years of battling in court it says something. What law would abuse a parent or a child? It should never be justified under any name neither Civil law, Jewish, Christian, nor Islamic. Families and children have rights regardless of any excuse or personal interests.

All religious preach for human rights however these rights whether it is civil or religious are only applicable and enforceable by judicial authorities.

When a corruption takes place who would have the authority a religion or officials?

I highly believe that corruption doesn't end justice but it is a reason for applying justice.

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http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot....g-shariah.html
I understand that and it would appear the story may have been blown out of proportion to some degree.

But what about the Texas Islamic Court, it would appear on the surface as a court system not based on US Law. Is there enough Sharia based arbitration in Texas to warrant a Islamic Court? Does Texas have a Texas Mexican Court and Texas Jewish Court?

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After prolonged battles in Texas District Court all parties signed an Islamic Arbitration agreement to arbitrate the case. District Court denied it. The Court of Appeal ruled that the agreement is valid and enforceable.
Based on that statement it would appear that the parties did not like the outcome in the Texas District Court and the CoA bent over to accommodate them and Sharia.
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Old 10-18-2011, 16:41   #32
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RE Post #31 -

You should read the article at the link provided.

After prolonged court battles, they agreed to arbitration by a private Richardson-based group, the Texas Islamic Court.

You should also read up on Jewish law and how similar proceedings are handled in Rabinical courts - even here in America.

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Old 10-18-2011, 17:52   #33
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I read it, it seems pretty benign in this case, but sounds like a can of worms for the court system, but it is interesting.

Maybe I am wrong, but if I were to go outside CONUS I would not expect other countries to honor US Law, its Courts or my Rights...so personally I don't think believe there should be any 'courts' outside the US Court System.
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Old 10-18-2011, 18:07   #34
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I read it, it seems pretty benign in this case, but sounds like a can of worms for the court system, but it is interesting.

Maybe I am wrong, but if I were to go outside CONUS I would not expect other countries to honor US Law, its Courts or my Rights...so personally I don't think believe there should be any 'courts' outside the US Court System.
Concur. Same with language, IMO.
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Old 10-18-2011, 21:47   #35
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I am ready to listen to a solution to our self generated problem..

Shariah law is creeping into our society, our government, and our laws. The problem is we have set ourselves up for the fall.

How many of our current laws were written in Ecclesiastical favor??

Think about it..
  • Ecclesiastical Holidays
  • Ecclesiastical Land Rights, Banking, and Tax Laws
  • Ecclesiastical Law for Ordination
  • Ecclesiastical Schools
  • Ecclesiastical Medical Procedures
  • Ecclesiastical Funerals Laws
  • Ecclesiastical Marriage Laws
  • Ecclesiastical Dietary Laws

NOTE: I used the word Ecclesiastical, substitute any religion's formal name for personal clarity

The list is longer than most would guess.. How do you selectively allow some and not others,, by religion ??

Is there an allowable "LIMIT" on the type or extent of ecclesiastical jurisdiction?

Be advised, I do not advocate a secular view, nor do I advocate religious bigotry..

This World in a combination of both the ecclesiastical and the secular.

But, In the case of shariah law there is no secular anything..

Maybe I am a bigot???

From the conclusion:



Although I agree with the conclusion, I feel it opens up our country to a problem of biblical proportions...

Because if we out-law one religion, why stop???
Sharia is not a religion and can be addressed as a form of law that directly contradicts our form of civil law.
It should be addressed as a cultural import that incorporates a value system based upon ancient middle eastern tribal law.....
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Old 11-15-2011, 06:37   #36
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...n_america.html

American Thinker, November 14, 2011
The Case for Banning Sharia Law in America
By JanSuzanne Krasner

The incompatibility of Islamic sharia law with secular courts stems from the underpinning of Islamism -- the unyielding union of the laws and punishments of the Qu'ran and Hadiths with the country's legal and political system. Sharia law is the legislation of these religious and criminal rules, which rejects America's constitutional secularism and legal penalties.

The Qu'ran commands Muslims to change secular laws to conform to sharia, eventually establishing Islamic law worldwide. Islamic courts want their fatwas to supersede the civil and criminal laws, untying Muslims from civil secular courts.

The facts reveal that in 2008, when the first sharia court was recognized in the U.K., within one year, over 85 recognized sharia courts were established within the U.K.'s Tribunal Court system. The problem with this rapidly spreading dogma is that several of these courts have issued some fatwas that are completely incompatible with British and European law.

As Islam is a male-dominated ideology, the laws of the Qu'ran make half of its devotees, its female population, second-class citizens. This inequality has drawn recent attention to the need for additional British legislation to rein in these courts so they abide by British law.

It appears that once any legal system opens its doors to Islamic law, that door will be hard to close...and eventually, the only thing missing will be a parallel Islamic government.

But even with this reality in front of Americans, there are still many who insist that our laws will prevent such circumstances from ever occurring in the U.S. And because of this nonchalant attitude, there are numbers of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who believe that sharia law is not a threat to non-Muslim Americans or to the Western liberal democratic rule of law.

Sharia Law Is in the U.S.

The possibility that Muslim-only towns and urban enclaves could be created in the U.S. seems unimaginable to most Americans, but it already is a reality. Just travel 150 mile northwest of New York City to the woods of the western Catskills, and you will find Islamberg, a private Muslim community founded in 1980 by Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani. Sheikh Gilani is said to be one of the founders of Jamaat al-Fuqra, a terrorist organization believed to be responsible for dozens of bombings and murders in the U.S. and abroad.

Islamberg is only one of twenty to thirty Muslim-only communities and training compounds that this Pakistani group supports through Muslim affiliates in America. This radical group has purchased land in isolated areas close to city networks and infrastructure. Jamaat al-Fuqra now has sites in Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Pennsylvania, California, Washington, Colorado, Michigan, and Illinois, as well as Canada, Venezuela, and Trinidad.

The sharia debate in the U.S. is heating up as more and more Americans are reacting to lawyers requesting rulings based on sharia law, and local judges agreeing to make them. This has happened in a New Jersey divorce case, a Maryland child custody case, and most recently in a Florida property case. These cases are now a precedent for other American-Muslim communities. In addition, according to the Center for Security Policy study that was published in May 2011, there are actually over fifty Appellate Court cases from 23 states that all involve conflicts between sharia law and American state law.

There are numbers of Muslim community leaders challenging the delicate line between religious freedom and the laws against state religion by petitioning in favor of living under sharia law. The moment one court allows the establishment of an independently ruled enclave, others courts in liberal cities across the nation will petition for the same opportunity.

Another example of efforts to usurp the Constitution are the actions of the global Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), whose main agenda is to have "hate speech" laws enforced against anyone who criticizes Islam. And, unfortunately, there are those determined to enforce sharia on their own who attack and murder any nearby dissenters. The Qu'ran justifies and protects these people's violence by declaring that it is blasphemous to mock or degrade any component of Islam. According to sharia law, such activity is punishable by death.

It is this ongoing effort to shut down public criticism of Islam that presents the gravest danger to America -- one that the Muslim Brotherhood and its Salafist organizations regard as key to limiting individual rights over the rights of the community. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), along with other Islamic activist groups, continues to push back, often with demonization of character and follow-up lawsuits. Recently, intimidation and character assassination have been used against U.S. politicians who question Islamism or want hearings on issues relating to radical Islamic terrorism, along with those Congressmen who introduce state legislation to ban all foreign law.

Preventing Sharia through Legislation

The Court of Appeals is the system used to review lower court decisions and believed by some to be the stopgap against foreign law, including sharia, from entering our legal system. However, some Islamic cases that have reached the Appellate Court for review have retained the sharia rulings even in the face of sharia's contradiction to American civil law.

The U.S. is heading towards dangerous territory if its citizens buy into the twisting of constitutional amendments. Indeed, what everyone really needs is the interpretations of the laws as they are written in order to prevent the encroachment of Islamism into the court system.

The establishment of sharia courts within the arbitration laws is a leading objective of every peace-loving, kindhearted, moderate male Muslim. I have asked several male American Muslims whom I know, some living very happily in my community and in the U.S., what their one greatest wish is. The answer is always the same: "Everyone should be a Muslim."

The line must be drawn in states' legislatures, not in the courts. It is imperative that we recognize the differences between the religion of Islam and the ideology of Islamism. Political correctness is leading to interpretations of the Constitution and its amendments that are pushing America across that line.

If non-Muslim Americans do not recognize how close they are to the precipice, then they are beyond a shadow of a doubt going to fall victims to an Islamic conquest. Time is running out.
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Old 11-15-2011, 08:46   #37
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A couple of the more salient points for me from the American Thinker piece highlighted below.


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It appears that once any legal system opens its doors to Islamic law, that door will be hard to close...and eventually, the only thing missing will be a parallel Islamic government.
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It is imperative that we recognize the differences between the religion of Islam and the ideology of Islamism.
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:10   #38
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"Originally Posted by frostfire View Post
It is imperative that we recognize the differences between the religion of Islam and the ideology of Islamism."

How do you separate the two when one is the foundation of the other?????
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:28   #39
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It is imperative that we recognize the differences between the religion of Islam and the ideology of Islamism."

How do you separate the two when one is the foundation of the other?????
I was wondering the same. Isn't it you either follow the book, or you don't; "ism's" and context be damned...
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Old 11-15-2011, 13:01   #40
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How do you separate the two when one is the foundation of the other?????
Which is precisely why I contend that we are at war with Islam and not just the "radicals."

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Old 11-15-2011, 13:20   #41
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Just some observations:

Simply stated, Sharia law is generally incompatible with the US Constitution.

From a purely analytical perspective, IMO, to separate the underlying religion of Islam from the Sharia law component may be of some utility given the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

From a purely practical perspective, IMO, an ongoing attempt at conquest by some in Islam exists and must be met and vanquished or life in the USA as we know it ceases.

IIRC, others have weighed in on this topic in numerous previous posts on this BB. I have found that there exists some very good stuff and some quite insightful observations archived on this BB.

Various searches here under Islam, Muslim or Sharia, etc., pulls up a few.

YMMV.
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