Barack Obama Officially Announces He's Running In 2012

Law school is rather a new concept. Years past, and I say recently, (1930's) Law Schools became required before the state bar exams. Before that, if one could speak as to the law, he had the job.

My grandfather, born 1903, interned as a lawyer in a local office working for the county commissioner, he was 18 years old.

Before he was 20, he was representing his own clients, depositions between land owners, canal companies, ranchers, miners, railroad engineers, surveyors and other business owners.

He never left ranching, or the rurual business communities of Wyoming, but represented many clients all through the 1950's, 60's and 70's who had business interests regionally, (Omaha, Salt Lake City, Pheonix, Denver). Ran for Public office, was elected as county commissioner, advised Gerry Spence on how to win some rather high profile cases.

When "insurance companies" first formed, they were nothing more than ship owners, financially backed by "states", (Spain, France, England) to ensure pirating activities would be "mitigated" and "reduced". Functioning to write law in order to pool potential losses.

Matthrew, Mark, Luke and John, (one banker-tax rep., one Lawyer, and two speach writer interns).

Have we gone so far down the path, that a LBJ looks good?

At least Teddy Roosevelt wore a .45 while in the office, shooting with G-men on the lawn during lunch breaks.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Have we gone so far down the path, that a LBJ looks good?

If Robert Dallek, LBJ's foremost biographer, gets his way, Johnson will be remembered as one of America's greatest presidents.

When I heard Professor Dallek pitch this point back in the early 1990s, I damn near bit my tongue in half.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

If Robert Dallek, LBJ's foremost biographer, gets his way, Johnson will be remembered as one of America's greatest presidents.

When I heard Professor Dallek pitch this point back in the early 1990s, I damn near bit my tongue in half.

Let's hope he doesn't get his way.

LBJ was a disgrace, and his mistakes continue to haunt us.

TR

Originally Posted by mpower

He signed one of the most important pieces of legislation into law ever, the civil rights act
.....I don't need to tell you we were in vietnam before LBJ
....LBJ oversaw the first flight to the moon,
he established medicare,
medicaid,
work study programs,
food stamps
and wic for mothers with newborns who could not financially support themselves.

Sure some of those programs may seem socialist but at that period in time, it was what was best for the country. My major beefs with LBJ are in regard to his gun control views and him not committing more assets to the Vietnam War. We could have and should have won while LBJ was still in office.

These are excellent examples, but none of them had anything to do with LBJ.

JFK ran for president winning only because he locked up the black vote, which up to that time, was assured to be carried by a republican. It is easy to see why Dr. King was a republican, the democrats, deep seating southern KKK types kept a strong hold on old school southern habits and practices.

When MLK went to JFK in the summer of 62, pressuring him to move forward with the Civil Rights Act, JFK said, he, "would lose much of the white vote for a second election".

Women, education, religious freedoms, all touch points of JFK. LBJ simple cashed the check.

It was only because of JFK's death that LBJ got many of the executive orders passed, all signed into law, under "our fallen king" eulogy. The nation loved camelot, the Kennedy's and Jackie.

It was JFK that funded NASA saying, "inside of ten years we will have a man on the moon", racing with the USSR.

That's how I inturpret history being I was sucking my thumb during the assassination of our president.

My mother, a tough republican, loved John F Kennedy, considered LBJ the trigger man in his death, and appreciated Nixon for getting us out of Vietnam.

As for Vietnam War, we could have won that conflict in any two week period, but Politics had more to gain, and more money to earn in keeping in elongated.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by mpower

I respect your opinion as you are a very educated person but to use the word disgrace towards LBJ is a bit out there in my humble opinion. He signed one of the most important pieces of legislation into law ever, the civil rights act. I don't need to tell you we were in vietnam before LBJ. LBJ oversaw the first flight to the moon, he established medicare, medicaid, work study programs, food stamps and wic for mothers with newborns who could not financially support themselves.

Sure some of those programs may seem socialist but at that period in time, it was what was best for the country. My major beefs with LBJ are in regard to his gun control views and him not committing more assets to the Vietnam War. We could have and should have won while LBJ was still in office.

I usually don't like to copy and paste but here is some major legislation he signed into law.

* 1963: Clean Air Act of 1963[98]
* 1963: Higher Education Facilities Act of 1963[99][100]
* 1963: Vocational Education Act of 1963[101]
* 1964: Civil Rights Act of 1964
* 1964: Urban Mass Transportation Act of 1964
* 1964: Wilderness Act
* 1964: Nurse Training Act of 1964[102]
* 1964: Food Stamp Act of 1964
* 1964: Economic Opportunity Act
* 1964: Housing Act of 1964[103]
* 1965: Higher Education Act of 1965
* 1965: Older Americans Act
* 1965: Social Security Act of 1965
* 1965: Voting Rights Act
* 1965: Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965
* 1966: Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
* 1967: Age Discrimination in Employment Act[104]
* 1967: Public Broadcasting Act of 1967
* 1968: Architectural Barriers Act of 1968
* 1968: Bilingual Education Act
* 1968: Civil Rights Act of 1968
* 1968: Gun Control Act of 1968



And I also think Richard Nixon was a great President but thats totally off the subject at hand.

Johnson also screwed up the war in Vietnam and his personal conduct was reprehensible. He was a notorious liar, and a cheater.

Next thing I know, you will be mentioning his Silver Star. You should read the citation.

If you think welfare, food stamps, and the GCA were great legislation, I have nothing further to say to you.

TR

[incarcerated]

Originally Posted by mpower

I respect your opinion as you are a very educated person but to use the word disgrace towards LBJ is a bit out there in my humble opinion. He signed one of the most important pieces of legislation into law ever, the civil rights act.

Sure some of those programs may seem socialist but at that period in time, it was what was best for the country.

Thanks to your CRA ‘64, Kobe Bryant is paying a $100,000 fine for exercising his freedom of expression. The Civil Rights Acts have given us speech codes and unequal rights that are based on group membership. These group rights tend to trump the individual rights enumerated in the Constitution.
Please explain to me how Kobe Bryant’s loss of free speech is best for America.

[PedOncoDoc]

I was in Chicago Thursday and Friday. Apparently P-BO was also - the local news states he raised over $2 million at a couple campaigning dinner appearances Thursday evening, heading out Friday.

[Box]

I find it hard to agree that programs that have effectively turned us into a welfare state and the gun control act of '68 can be described as "great ideas". I am not an educated man, perhaps one day someone can explain how it was just a glitch in bureaucracy that made these programs go south.

I have a pretty solid opinion that the great society of LBJ was fundamentally and ideologically flawed and not just a product of bureaucracy.

...just my two cents

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by mpower

They were great ideas but bureaucracy screwed up the system and it is now so misguided and abused its not even funny.

Well, please elaborate on how the GCA was a "great idea".

TR

[incarcerated]

Originally Posted by mpower

What did Kobe Bryant say? I don't follow basketball at all.

They’re not saying. It was a slur of some kind, offensive to gays.
You answered my question (quite well) in your post #48. We do not disagree. PM inbound.
Thread hijack over.

[Box]

Originally Posted by mpower

In a perfect world socialism is a great idea.

Merriam-Webster definition of SOCIALISM:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2:
a - system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b - a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


This is a pefect world to you?
In theory?
Are you serious?


I will respectfully bow out of this thread since there is clearly no reason for me to continue any form of social communication with you.

Good day sir. Best wishes in all of your endeavors.

[incarcerated]

Originally Posted by mpower

Read what Marx wrote. Respectfully Sir, I don't care about some sentence long definition.

Marx?
So how do you account for the track record of socialism in the 20th century?

[Todd 1]

Originally Posted by mpower

In a perfect world socialism is a great idea. In a PERFECT WORLD. But we don't live in a perfect world and there will always be corruption thus socialism will not work the way marx intended it to.

What kind of nutjob would create an ideology that needs a “Perfect World” to function the way they intended it to?

Humankind isn’t perfect, never has been, never will be.

You would think Marx was smart enough to realize that……….or maybe he did..........hmmmmm.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by mpower

Read what Marx wrote. Respectfully Sir, I don't care about some sentence long definition.

When you say "read what Marx wrote," what do you mean? Are you referring to specific works or to the majority of his writings?

If, as you suggest, Marx was a proponent of socialism, then why did he and Engels hector socialists time and again in The German Ideology?

Are you certain that Marx viewed concepts such as "corruption" as constants? Or did he see such traits as situated within specific milieu of human history?

If LBJ should be credited for the transformation of American public policy during his presidency, why should he not also be held responsible for the consequences (unintended and otherwise) of the bills he signed into law?

I once viewed a socialist/communist experience first hand.

While returning from a 10 day patrol, we entered the camp to find a soldier bathing in the top hatch of the "water buffalo" tank. He was removed, beat down/stripped of his clothing, his property taken away, was left sitting beside the trailer, tied, unable to move, a sign hung around his neck that read, "I was caught swimming in the water tank".

The tank was scheduled to be picked up withing 24 hours, he was left sitting there, a bit sunburned with a fat lip, a bloody nose and one very painful black eye.

When our ODA was questioned, I folded under the pressure of a SERE school level interrogation. I said, "I wrote the sign", while placing his dog tags on the Cdr's desk.

What was learned was the soldier had been AWOL from his unit for several weeks. He was stealing MREs/water and other US Govt., equipment, (trucks, etc.), while his unit cdr, family and fellow soldiers thought him dead or missing.