It's about time!!!!

[silentreader]

Maybe this law (drug testing) should be applied to everybody attending public universities as well.


(First time with the pink font. Did I do good?)

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by silentreader

Maybe this law (drug testing) should be applied to everybody attending public universities as well.


(First time with the pink font. Did I do good?)

you did great.

Okay, welfare -- piss test / press labor; unemployment-- piss test / press labor; college -- piss test / summer press labor; Military service -- piss test; Public service -- piss test, weapons purchase -- piss test; Get on the bus/public transportation -- piss test; Apply for a job -- piss test; Attend public sporting event -- piss test.
Buy groceries -- piss test and cart/peer review.

We could catheter everyone at birth; then taking the samples could be really easy and quick -- probably wouldn't even notice it.
Except it will seem like an old WWII movie, "pay-pahs" will sound like "sam-pull" move along. Not that one . . . come with us."
But it's okay it's for the greater good.

de Oppresso what? No thanks.

[Dozer523]

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."

[grog18b]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."

Helping is a hand up, not a hand out.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by grog18b

Helping is a hand up, not a hand out.

So it all comes down to "up" or "out". Thank goodness there's a litmus test for that. TTFN.

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by silentreader

Maybe this law (drug testing) should be applied to everybody attending public universities as well.


(First time with the pink font. Did I do good?)

Lets even go a step further a piss test people when they try to register their Car

[grog18b]

Okay-- Piss test = oppression. Illegal drug use= a basic human right.

Gotcha.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Buy groceries -- cart/peer review.

I agree...I'm tired of my taxes being used to feed people who are overweight!

[grog18b]

Ho Hos should not be Government subsidized.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by grog18b

Okay-- Piss test = oppression. Illegal drug use= a basic human right.Gotcha.

You got the first part right.
Here is the deal.
We have laws that are ultimately regulated by the Bill of Rights.
Certain acts are criminal and should be discouraged with punishment.
If a crime is suspected authorities investigate with a warrant that specifies charges and a limitted search.
Accussed is reminded of rights and gets a lawyer to help protect them.
In an open trial, presided over by a Judge who knows WTF he is doing and WTF everyone else is supposed to do, guilt beyond a resonable doubt is determined by a jury.

Problems with your scenario?
One, being poor ain't a crime and neither is bein' lazy.
Two, Just because you don't like the way someone lives doesn't mean they don't have rights or allow you to make assumtions and forego due process.

But. how about this? You enforce your brand of justice and
I'll have you pissed tested because you don't understand the US legal system and the Constitution.
You must be on drugs.

Originally Posted by grog18b

At least then, they would be providing a service, instead of breeding another generation of welfare feeders.

I think the phrase from the 1930's was "useless eaters". sorry Grog, I'm not interested in your Brave, New World. (I read the book. read 1984, too.)

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Problems with your scenario?
... being poor ain't a crime and neither is bein' lazy.

That's gonna be my new signature when I get up the energy to change it.

[tonyz]

In order to drive my truck on public roads - my consent to testing for DUI is an express condition of my getting a driver's license. I just looked at my license and it states: “operation of a motor vehicle constitutes consent to any sobriety test required by law.”

Because applying for and receiving welfare assistance is not mandatory, drug screening should simply be viewed as a reasonable condition of assistance, similar to the strings attached to obtaining a driver’s license – or like many - who are “forced” to agree to a drug test in exchange for a paycheck, job, grant, etc.

Moreover, a drug screening policy for welfare recipients should not be considered punitive. Rather, it should be considered benevolent - for if you truly care about the poor - you'll be concerned enough to assist them with their unhealthy dependence on illegal drugs. If, according to ACLU information, approximately X% of the welfare population is using illegal drugs then we can help that X%.

If MADD became MAWROD – mothers against welfare recipients on drugs - this concept would be considered a no-brainer.
But, what would an all caring - ACLU, NPR, Michael Moore, the Urban League and Ezra Klein do?

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by grog18b

Helping is a hand up, not a hand out.

Nor is it backhanded humiliation.

Originally Posted by grog18b

What we SHOULD be doing are programs like the CCC, and put these welfare people to work picking up garbage, and repairing our deteriorating State and National park system. Give them a orange vest and let them pick up garbage along the highway. At least then, they would be providing a service, instead of breeding another generation of welfare feeders.

[tonyz]

Once, when I needed money I had to join the Teamsters and piss in a cup. For a variety of reasons, I wanted to do neither, but I did want the job.

So, I joined the Teamsters, stayed up all night studying for my urine test and passed.

I considered both events to be a little humiliating – but sometimes ya do what ya gotta do. No blood – no foul.

[TrapLine]

Last night I received confirmation that I passed the drug test required for the new position I will start next month. I did not feel violated, which was unfortunate considering the attractive test administrator.