10-13-2010, 13:12
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My prayers are with both Ms. Norgrove's family and those that dared to attempt her rescue. Regardless of the outcome, those men risked everything for her, and I take comfort knowing there are such men.
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10-13-2010, 17:38
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Did she go into Afghanistan thinking she wouldn't be in danger? I'm sorry she is dead but if she went into a warzone with an expectation of not being in harm's way because of her non-combatant status, she not only put herself in danger, but those who came to rescue her...
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10-13-2010, 19:25
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US soldier faces action over death of kidnapped aid worker
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10-13-2010, 19:27
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Bad thing, but I wish they would quit saying "Special Forces Soldier"
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10-13-2010, 21:59
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My prayers are with both Ms. Norgrove's family and those that dared to attempt her rescue. Regardless of the outcome, those men risked everything for her, and I take comfort knowing there are such men.
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Agreed 100% TL. This is one of the drawbacks to all that cool technology where commanders have real time visuals though. With politics being what they are, someone will pay the piper. That is usually the ones doing the actual mission who are also the most expendable.
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10-14-2010, 10:39
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Bad thing, but I wish they would quit saying "Special Forces Soldier"
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Hence the reason I posted this thread.
IMO there should be no action taken again the Navy SEAL or SEALS. That's just my opinion.
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10-14-2010, 11:52
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They tried to rescue her.
That SEAL threw the grenade probably thinking that she was still inside one of the huts.
It was a tragic accident.
Agree with some of the other posters that someone will probably be punished just to conciliate diplomatic relations.
Foreign aid workers, missionaries, etc. should stay out of countries while they are experiencing political instability or conflict.
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10-14-2010, 12:19
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The Brits have a funny way with deaths. Their inquest(s) carry legal weight. Even military deaths get civilian inquest and occasionally they hand down "convictions".
Here is an example, you can google fu if you need to read others.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ju...hts-protection
Soldier who told parents not to hate Army died in Afghan blast, inquest hears
A teenage soldier who left a letter to his mother telling her not to hate the Army “because it was the making of me as well as the end of me” died in a blast in Afghanistan after standing on a hidden device, an inquest heard.
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As part of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), he and his platoon had the role of providing protection for casualty evacuations and bomb disposal teams heading to destroy identified threats.
Corporal Bryan told the coroner at the inquest in Newbury, Berks.: “I believe I was the last person to speak to him because he told me how lucky I was that day.
“He stood up, he turned away from me to face the direction of the FOB and I then heard a massive explosion and immediately knew it was an IED.”
Coroner Peter Bedford recorded a verdict that Rfn Cyrus Thatcher, of Henley Road, Caversham, Berks, was unlawfully killed while on active service in Afghanistan.
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What a coroner's inquest will determine with this unfortunate military death is to be seen.
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10-14-2010, 14:45
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Foreign aid workers, missionaries, etc. should stay out of countries while they are experiencing political unstability or conflict.
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Actually, I disagree with your statement.
Granted, they often wind up in trouble. But, in a war of ideas/ideology, such as we are presently involved in, these folks can play a huge part in winning.
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10-14-2010, 15:25
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Granted, they often wind up in trouble.
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I couldn't agree with you more. 
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10-24-2010, 13:14
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I would regard anything printed in The Guardian newspaper as suspect and probably a lie and the Telegraph may just be repeating what the Guardian got away with. I'll wait for the formal inquiry and know that spreading crap just makes the weeds grow taller.
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10-24-2010, 13:42
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Granted, they often wind up in trouble.
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I concur,they sure do don't they!.............. 
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12-02-2010, 11:06
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The family of Linda Norgrove thanked the U.K. and U.S. militaries for briefing them in detail on the findings of the inquiry, saying in a statement they will comment in more detail next week after taking time to digest the contents of the report. (with their barrister)
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We will hear more of this topic...
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12-03-2010, 14:29
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The New York Times, dead wrong
Special Forces had nothing to do with this tragic
rescue attempt.
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The New York Times, and dozens of other "news media" dead wrong on this story.
WRONG STORY, by John F. Burns
British Tell How Rescue by G.I.’s Broke Down
By JOHN F. BURNS
Published: December 2, 2010
LONDON — The British government revealed details on Thursday of a harrowing attempt by American Special Forces troops to mount a nighttime rescue of a British aid worker kidnapped by the Taliban in the highlands of eastern Afghanistan, and of the woman’s death when an American soldier threw a hand grenade into a gully where she was being held.
Foreign Secretary William Hague said the operation on Oct. 8 involved two American helicopters’ landing in the pitch dark on “a near-vertical incline” at 8,000 feet. At that point, the hostage, Linda Norgrove, the regional director for a jobs program financed by the United States Agency for International Development, had been a captive for two weeks. She had been seized while on a road trip in the area.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/wo...03britain.html
RIGHT Story By ALISTAIR MACDONALD
The Wall Street Journal has the correct story.
U.K. Finds U.S. Forces Liable in Killing
By ALISTAIR MACDONALD
LONDON—Kidnapped British aide worker Linda Norgrove was killed by a grenade thrown by U.S. special operations forces in a botched rescue attempt, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said an investigation has confirmed.
Ms. Norgrove's death in Afghanistan in October was initially blamed on her Taliban captors before U.S. forces said they may have been responsible and set up a joint investigation into the death with British military experts. Ms. Norgrove, 36 years old, was slain on Oct. 8 as what a person familiar with the matter described as a team of Navy Seals stormed the compound where she was being held in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...995850014.html
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