Obama authorizes assassination of US Citizen?

[Counsel]

IMHO, an enemy combatant is an enemy combatant, independent of citizenship. Keep in mind, however unlikely, that he can surrender and will be afforded all the due process privileges in a civil criminal court. The choice is his.

[Paslode]

I have been complaining on the Hutaree topic, that those simpletons we're being singled out for allegedly discussing killing LEO's , while our friends from the Religion of Peace run around unimpeded yelling Death to America.

Well it appears things may have changed

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Don

I mean…we all know the end result is death…but what makes the killing an assassination?

In this particular case, the possible killing of an enemy combatant became an act of "murder" or "assassination" thanks to the work of newspaper editors trying to boost sales and a blogger cherry picking facts to boost his "street cred" in Twitville <<LINK>>. (But that's okay--what Mr. Greenwald really wants to do is direct.)

IMO, the fourth estate is turning an increasingly critical eye on the current president because (a) the media have an increasingly testy relationship with the White House and (b) the media are trying to ride the crest of the president's declining popularity (much the same way it sought to ride the crest of the man's rising popularity when he was pitching "hope" and "change" as a candidate).

At the risk of sounding uncharacteristically bitter, I believe that the penultimate thing on their minds is providing American citizens with facts that can be used to debate a controversial topic.

It says something that the asshats at TMZ.com demonstrate a higher level of inquiry and provide better examples of careful discussion of the day's events than established news outlets.

[Green Light]

Originally Posted by Counsel

IMHO, an enemy combatant is an enemy combatant, independent of citizenship. Keep in mind, however unlikely, that he can surrender and will be afforded all the due process privileges in a civil criminal court. The choice is his.

Actually, without a white flag of surrender or some such device, the choice really isn't his. It will be the choice of the QP who will make the split second decision whether to put the habeas grabas on him or put two quick shots center of mass.

He has attempted killing Americans as a combatant of a foreign power. He pledges no allegiance to our nation or way of life. He is an enemy of freedom. He would subjugate us as infidels and try us for our lives for infractions such as disagreeing with him. The trial would, unfortunately, be a formality with the verdict never in doubt.

We are fighting against a transnational enemy that wants to rule the world. Just as the Nazis, Japanese, and Soviets before them. There may seem to be a lull in the fight right now (outside of Afghanistan), but the dark clouds are on the horizon. YMMV

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

It is not a HIT. The order is to capture or kill. . . . Dead Men Tell No Lies.......

Looks like one, walks like one, quacks like one. . .

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Looks like one, walks like one, quacks like one. . .

OK OK You got me it is Duck Hunting

[Don]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

OK OK You got me it is Duck Hunting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14T5wzicqw

Verified...here is my source!

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

In this particular case, the possible killing of an enemy combatant became an act of "murder" or "assassination" thanks to the work of newspaper editors trying to boost sales and a blogger cherry picking facts to boost his "street cred" in Twitville

IMO, the fourth estate is turning an increasingly critical eye on the current president because (a) the media have an increasingly testy relationship with the White House and (b) the media are trying to ride the crest of the president's declining popularity (much the same way it sought to ride the crest of the man's rising popularity when he was pitching "hope" and "change" as a candidate).

This might be the key to this complete discussion.

Are we being manipulated by the 4th estate??

Or is Barry & crowd trying to goat main stream Americans into orchestrating his ascension to a dictatorship,, because there are TOO MANNY AMERICANS PLOTTING AGAINST AMERICA-BHO-ME-Barry-USA (all terms interchangeable)!!!

One of his community organizer quote(s):

"The Radical may resort to the sword but when he does he is not filled with hatred against those individuals whom he attacks. He hates these individuals not as persons but as symbols representing ideas or interests which he believes to be inimical to the welfare of the people(himself). (Saul Alinsky 1946: 23)

At the risk of sounding uncharacteristically bitter, I believe that the PRIMARY(penultimate) thing on their minds is providing American citizens with RUMORS(facts) that can WILL(be) used to INSTIGATE(debate) a COMPLAISANT(controversial) TAKE OVER (topic).

Just changed a few words...

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by akv

My respectful question for the sheepdogs, clearly if you harm a sheep you are now a wolf, but for those who confront wolves with extreme prejudice, god bless you, but isn't there a line you don't ever cross at the risk of becoming a wolf yourself?

When it's murder.
When there is "Collateral damage" that should be avoided. (for example: when it is determined, with deliberation, a target is "worth" the loss of the innocent in the wrong place/time.) Well, Someone is supposed to think about it . . .
Maybe that doesn't make you a wolf right away but it might get those genes tingling.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Right, my thoughts exactly -- doesn't the fact that he has committed treasonous acts make him an enemy of the state, and therefore strip him of his citizenship? I need to Google.

Well, NOW I'm really not too crazy about it! Now we are drifting toward a category called "Enemy of the State". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qznsf0i1wQt

"It's not paranoia if they're really after you."

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Right, my thoughts exactly

-- doesn't the fact that he has committed treasonous acts

Define: "I post negative BHO comments to the web"

make him an enemy of the state

Define: "BHO doses not like my comments posted to the web"

Nixon had a list of "enemies of the state"

DEFINE using the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights..


In combat, if you shoot at me I will return fire,, I may be opportunistically empowered and shoot you first..

Hit lists are for spooks... "I'm James B, and I have a license to kill"

We may not need or want a bright-line test but someone better set some balancing test(s), so us poor peons can understand what is being implemented.

As of now, It is scary, very scary..

Not because I have any empathy for this POS,

but because I don't know how to tell the good guy from the bad.

[JJ_BPK]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ase-threefold/
Threats Against Congress Increase Threefold, AP

WASHINGTON -- Ranging from vulgar language to talk of murder, threats against senators and representatives nearly tripled in recent months as the health care overhaul sparked public anger, The Washington Post reported.

House and Senate lawmakers reported 42 threats from January to March, compared with 15 in the last three months of 2009, Senate Sergeant at Arms Terrance W. Gainer said in a story posted on the newspaper's Web site late Thursday. Nearly all the threats, including at least three that led to arrests, appeared to come from people who opposed the health care bill Democrats championed and President Barack Obama signed into law last month.

Most of the threats were aimed at members of the House, said Gainer, the former chief of the U.S. Capitol Police.

"The incidents ranged from very vulgar to serious threats, including death threats," he said. "The ability to carry them out is another question and part of an investigation to determine what, if any, appropriate steps to take."

A man has been charged in San Francisco with making dozens of threatening calls to the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and to her husband's office.

A man arrested near Yakima, Wash., has been charged with leaving threatening messages at the office of Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.

In Philadelphia, a man has been charged with threatening in a YouTube video to kill Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., and his family.

And the list grows exponentially...

[Richard]

Objection - badgering, your honor.

[Counsel]

Originally Posted by Green Light

Actually, without a white flag of surrender or some such device, the choice really isn't his. It will be the choice of the QP who will make the split second decision whether to put the habeas grabas on him or put two quick shots center of mass.

Of course. Once the boys enter the room he won’t have any time to make that choice, thus the choice will be made for him. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Originally Posted by Green Light

The trial would, unfortunately, be a formality with the verdict never in doubt.

Concur.

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In my opinion, at some point, a person committing treasonous acts becomes an actual enemy of the state, and is no longer to be afforded the rights of citizenship(i.e. due process, right to jury, etc). I would think this determination must be made on a case-by-case basis; I would have a hard time articulating a "bright-line test" to be used in every case.

Right, my thoughts exactly -- doesn't the fact that he has committed treasonous acts make him an enemy of the state, and therefore strip him of his citizenship? I need to Google.

That all depends on due process. You just cannot simply strip someones citizenship because you or I don't like thier actions. If that was the case Joe McCarthy and his friends would have done so many times over. The right of due process is fundamental to our justice system to give each and every one of us a fair chance to defend ourselves, no matter how hienous the act we might commit.

Richard Nixon had an enemy of the state list...there was a reason that guy resigend and it wasn't to go home to Key Biscayne.

Are we being manipulated by the 4th estate??

JJ? You are asking that.... lol.... One only has to review the news clips from the fall of 2008 it is abundantly clear that the MSM of both sides has ceased to report the news in any vague sense of unbias and stepped it up a notch to manipulate the proletariat to thier own agdenda.

Originally Posted by Green Light
The trial would, unfortunately, be a formality with the verdict never in doubt.

True, however, we would have gone through the process. If we remove one citizens right to due process, we run the risk of another's being trampled on. Our sytem of justice dating back what, a thousand yrs, is based on that one principle.
However, this one individual could lay claim that he was not given a 'trial by a jury of his peers' as his peers are all terrorists.
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