Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

[ZooKeeper]

Originally Posted by Spartan359

Holy Shit this infuriates me.

Damn the consequences, you throw my flag on the floor your asking for an ass whippin.

That part bothered me the most.

[Guy]

Originally Posted by Richard

And then there's the matter of why the woman - who so presumptively figured it would be OK to put up such a large flag to begin with - didn't coordinate it with the group - most companies have rules as to what may or may not be placed on display in their facilities for obvious reasons.

Since when do we have to coordinate the display of the American flag...prior to memorial day?

Bottom line - I would've gotten fired on-the-spot! God knows, I would've came up with some smartass reply.

Stay safe.

[sleepyhead4]

Originally Posted by armymom1228

I was not the person who made the comment about 'serving', Sir..

I do take responsibility for desiring that obtaining citizenship be a requirement for keeping one's green card. My timing of 5 yrs, is what I have read is the average length of time most take. If someone is actively pursuing that issue then by all means, give them as much leeway as we possibly can.. pursueing that goal is the object.

My mother in law has been in this country, since 1947. She has yet to even attempt to pursue citizenship.. and her son , my ex, was an officer as well. He flew helos for the 101 Air Cav out of Da Nang. Of course his father was Army Air Force (my dad's good friend) and an US Citizen. His family was here before the white man chose to grace these shores. He had his own distinct opinions on 'immigration'.

I am truly sorry if I offended you in anyway...it was now, nor ever my intent.

With regards to making immigrants serve.. I dunno... not everyone's jib is cut out to be military. Mine sure wasn't, but it was cut to serve those who serve. I derive a great deal of pleasure from working for and serving, and advocating for Vets.

I have my own opinion about immigration and patriotism, which I believe mirrors your beliefs. It just gets under my skin when generalized statements are made about any one group of people, even the liberal left.

Nonetheless, I appreciate your support for the veterans and this site. And thank you for taking the time to explain your view after my rant.

As for the topic discussed on this thread, I believe we have gone way over board with being PC. Call a spade a spade rather than trying to appease everyone or no one.

[MtnGoat]

I feel that Debbie McLucas should wear clothing showing the American Flag on it some how.

If I was her I would of said, well if it is distastefuly in your eyes then go back to Africa or whatever country they are all from.

[HOLLiS]

I emailed the organization and suggested may they move to another country. I received a reply;

We share your anger and hurt about the removal of the flag. It is
very important to clarify that a misunderstanding has been communicated
through the media. The supervisor that is described in the media is actually
the co-worker of Ms. McLucas and not Ms. McLucas's immediate supervisor. The
incident was two nursing supervisors who got into a dispute.

It was wrong and disrespectful and as soon as we learned about it, we took
immediate action to correct the situation. The flag is now proudly displayed
once again, and we apologize to all who were equally offended by this
unpatriotic action, including the owner of the flag. We have reprimanded the
employee and let them know we don't tolerate behavior inconsistent with our
Company's values.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Richard

I think there are a lot of pieces missing to this puzzle and it may not be quite as cut and dry as reported.

<<SNIP>>

I'd like to hear the whole story but seriously doubt if that'll ever happen now that everyone's toes, egos, and rights have been publicly trod upon.

The incident was two nursing supervisors who got into a dispute.

Having a nurse for a housemate and having had hospitals for clients, I've learned a great deal over the last few years about how vicious and petty the infighting can be. At times, it seems that patients are the least of some health care professionals' concerns.

Originally Posted by Guy

Since when do we have to coordinate the display of the American flag...prior to memorial day? .

When you are intending to display it on/in someone else's property.

When I was in business, employees where prohibited from attaching/hanging anything (personal items) to/on the walls/doors.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by WCH

When you are intending to display it on/in someone else's property.

When I was in business, employees where prohibited from attaching/hanging anything (personal items) to/on the walls/doors.

WCH,

Your right about most displays...... But as GUY stated we are talking about the American Flag here, I and he don't think we'd need permission to display it........

GB TFS

[Richard]

When you are intending to display it on/in someone else's property.

When I was in business, employees where prohibited from attaching/hanging anything (personal items) to/on the walls/doors.

Yep.

Richard's $.02

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

Originally Posted by WCH

When you are intending to display it on/in someone else's property.

When I was in business, employees where prohibited from attaching/hanging anything (personal items) to/on the walls/doors.

If it's office policy I'd have no problem with taking it down (in a respectful manner with due notice).

But, respectfully Sir, there is nothing to indicate that was the case.

her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive.

But McLucas also said hospital higher-ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained

I have a hard time believing many patients' families and visitors were offended and in an office with 3 supervisors I have a hard time believing that the flag interfered w/ the working space of the two other supervisors.

Swine Flu sandwich aside I'm happy with the results:

Wednesday morning, however, our story received nationwide attention. We have received hundreds of emails and comments from people who had something to say about it. Several dozen people protested outside the Mansfield hospital Wednesday. And a receptionist at Kindred's headquarters told us they received many phone calls.

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: "The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up."

[Richard]

I have a hard time believing many patients' families and visitors were offended and in an office with 3 supervisors I have a hard time believing that the flag interfered w/ the working space of the two other supervisors.

Not much experience in an office environment, I have to assume. The wonderfully wide and petulant mine-filled world of business, education, law, and bureaucratic in-fighting awaits your youthful omniscience with abated breath.

Richard's $.02

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

Originally Posted by Richard

Not much experience in an office environment, I have to assume. The wonderfully wide and petulant mine-filled world of business, education, law, and bureaucratic in-fighting awaits your youthful omniscience with abated breath.

Richard's $.02

My preferred portfolio was up over 9% in 2008 - and do you think I wasn't called a moron by my colleges - and called a fluke afterwards. And also by not making a rebound equal to the current QQQ/S&P in 2009?

The wonderfully wide and petulant mine-filled world of business, education, law, and bureaucratic in-fighting awaits your youthful omniscience with abated breath.

That's affirmative Sir. $hit downward when taking me under your wing.

[Richard]

Thanks for proving my hypotheses.

Richard's $.02

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by 6.8SPC_DUMP

My preferred portfolio was up over 9% in 2008 - and do you think I wasn't called a moron by my colleges - and called a fluke afterwards.

You have colleges?

TR

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

You have colleges?

TR

Yes.