Who Do you Agree with?

[USANick7]

Originally Posted by morolen

almost an even split 8 obama 7 mccain, kind of how i have felt all along.

Given the quote you use, I am a little confused by your candidate preference.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by USANick7

Given the quote you use, I am a little confused by your candidate preference.

Exactly.

Obama's background, his political views, and his socialist, pacifist agenda are the very antithesis of Heinlein.

TR

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by BMT

I wonder what ABC think's of the poll result's?

BMT

On this one I took it and got two for Obama. I can't remember which ones though. On some of them it was real hard to figure out what they were really saying....wait, that's kinda like how it is all the time.

[charlietwo]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Exactly.

Obama's background, his political views, and his socialist, pacifist agenda are the very antithesis of Heinlein.

TR

All this talk about Heinlein is making me want to read Starship Troopers again

[USANick7]

Originally Posted by jamber97

I could lay out why a vote for Obama will yield the best long term results but I would probably get banned.

well jamber...I'm waiting.

Dont worry I got approval..you can speak your mind...lol

[morolen]

My being a fan of Heinlein literature doesn't necessarily make me think all of his ideas are right, just a fan of classic sci-fi writing I suppose. Much like the current candidates I find neither of their ideas entirely appealing mainly due to the party lines they are forced to adopt.

For example the Obama campaign's stance against nuclear energy(well sort of He has said one thing but has Pelosi on his ticket and that says something else).

Or Mccain's ideals on abortion equally stemming from the christian base of the party.

I find the absurd amount of partisanship in the electoral process to be severely handicapping the democratic process. We are frequently forced to pick a "lesser of two evils" candidate and it makes it impossible for an independent to ever have a shot at the executive branch due to the massive inertia of the two parties.

[uboat509]

Three for Obama. One on taxes because, well, my grounding in economics isn't terribly strong. One on gay marriage because leaving it up to the states strikes me as more of a small government conservative idea than a liberal "the federal government must fix everything" idea. One on immigration because I disagreed with both and just picked one at random.

SFC W

[echoes]

Originally Posted by USANick7

well jamber...I'm waiting.

Dont worry I got approval..you can speak your mind...lol

Oh jamber..."just as a female"...a-hem...am curious as well. Is it Hussein's foreign policy, or Tax-initiatives that you find so endearing? Perhaps it is his good-looks that real you in??? Just asking...

Holly

[Trip_Wire (RIP)]

McCain of course!

[ecw6]

2 for Obama but they were on ones that the answers were unclear

[USANick7]

Originally Posted by morolen

My being a fan of Heinlein literature doesn't necessarily make me think all of his ideas are right, just a fan of classic sci-fi writing I suppose. Much like the current candidates I find neither of their ideas entirely appealing mainly due to the party lines they are forced to adopt.

For example the Obama campaign's stance against nuclear energy(well sort of He has said one thing but has Pelosi on his ticket and that says something else).

Or Mccain's ideals on abortion equally stemming from the christian base of the party.

I find the absurd amount of partisanship in the electoral process to be severely handicapping the democratic process. We are frequently forced to pick a "lesser of two evils" candidate and it makes it impossible for an independent to ever have a shot at the executive branch due to the massive inertia of the two parties.

I would argue that the "abortion" issue is fundamental. We actually had a very thorough discussion on this topic on another thread.

To say that the "abortion" issue stems from the Christian side of the party is to pay a compliment; since the argument against abortion is based on science, legality, logic, morality, etc. where as the pro-choice argument is based on subterfuge.

I am willing to bet (although I admittedly don't know yet) that you don't truly support abortion as it is logically defined; but rather support it by its false presentation as a defense of individual liberty.

Not to mention, that opposing something because it comes from the "Christian" side doesn't tell us much except that you possess a prejudice against the "Christian" side. In which case it begs the question, is a policy position "bad" because it derives its grounding or support from the Christian world view?

As far as the 2 parties argument...can you demonstrate how a multi party system would work better practically? I am forever hearing about the vices of a two party system, yet seldom if ever do I observe a practical application of a multi party system that I would prefer. I might also add that we ARE a multi party system. People have DEMOCRATICALLY chosen to throw their support behind 2 parties, so how can you claim that our system "undermines" the democratic process, when it is the democratic process which has chosen it?

Unless of course you are arguing against the "winner take all" system is the problem, and would instead prefer we assign seats in congress or respective legislatures according to proportion of votes. In which case you would not so much vote for an individual candidate but a party. Of course now you are no longer voting for the individual as much as you are the party, and you have taken the regional consideration out of the process and are now merely voting for a representative at large, there by somewhat undermining Federalist principles.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

John McCain hands down....

SF_BHT,

Ditto.....

GB TFS

[Razor]

Originally Posted by USANick7

I am forever hearing about the vices of a two party system, yet seldom if ever do I observe a practical application of a multi party system that I would prefer.

The Canadians I work with daily don't see a significant advantage to their multi-party system, only 'lack of confidence' votes and costly national elections occuring too frequently.

[jamber97]

Originally Posted by USANick7

well jamber...I'm waiting.

Dont worry I got approval..you can speak your mind...lol

Is there a perfect candidate for president? No, McCain/ Palin has just as many if not more draw backs than Obama/Biden but you wouldn't know that from reading here or in listening to conservative talk radio. Talk radio is propaganda on both sides. Conservative talk radio hated McCain and talked about him like he was the anti Christ, until he became the nominee.

Focusing on the issues, Obama and a Democratic congress is in a better position to accomplish his plans than would be a McCain and a Democratic congress. The Republican philosophy has been tested and has its flaws. Privatization and deregulating things has proven to be disastrous. Allowing lobbyist to create your policy on such a large scale doesn't put the interest of the country first; it puts the interest of the organizations who are lobbying first. Hence the big mess we're in now.

I find that both party's and their followers tend to go to the extreme in their philosophy. It seems that as humans we tend to do this. Obama seems more willing to move to the center and has proven to be more right than wrong in his public stance on the issues in comparison to other candidates.

I vote based upon the issues and the candidates general philosophy. I don't label the candidate or put them into a category. I voted for 2 terms of Bush because I believed in his philosophy and approach. I felt we could see if it would work, given 8 years for it to be put into practice. The result wasn't what I expected hence the approach needs to be changed. I feel that Obama is that change and McCain represents a failed philosophy.

I don't agree with either candidate on all the issues but I don't see McCain giving us the best chance to improve where our countries at.

I agree with Obama on the economy, Iraq, terrorism, middle east, taxes and spending, trade and globalization, labor and business regulations, social security, abortion, Gun policy and crime, Gay rights, Poverty, the courts, government reform and his choice of team members.

I agree with McCain on Diplomacy, healthcare, Energy, education


They both have a similar approach on the environment and immigration.

Based upon my areas of agreement, I see Obama and a democratic congress being able to accomplish a great deal more than McCain and a democratic congress.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by jamber97

I agree with Obama on the economy, Iraq, terrorism, middle east, taxes and spending, trade and globalization, labor and business regulations, social security, abortion, Gun policy and crime, Gay rights, Poverty, the courts, government reform and his choice of team members.

Based upon my areas of agreement, I see Obama and a democratic congress being able to accomplish a great deal more than McCain and a democratic congress.

How Sad!

HOLLY