03-26-2008, 16:23
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NOW BUNKO HILL IS UNDER FIRE
INSULTED MILITARY BLASTS HER SERIAL 'SNIPER' LIES
By GEOFF EARLE and CHARLES HURT, NY Post Correspondents
March 26, 2008
The prolonged battle between Obama and Clinton for the nomination boosts McCain's White House chances.
WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton's lies about risking her life under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia as first lady have infuriated the US military brass and troops. "She has no sense of what a statement like that does to soldiers," fumed retired Maj. Gen. Walter Stewart, the former head of the Pennsylvania National Guard.
"She is insulting the command in its entirety," he said yesterday. Clinton came under fire after saying she "misspoke" about what happened during the trip and claimed it was the first time she erred in describing her visit - an assertion Barack Obama's campaign quickly disproved by finding at least three prior occasions over the last few months where she's claimed there was sniper fire.
Stewart, who was assigned to the Army's European headquarters at the time of Clinton's visit in 1996, called her statements "really astonishing."
"Believe me, heads would have rolled all over" if the military put the then-first lady at "unacceptable risk," added Stewart, who is supporting Barack Obama. Air Force Lt. Gen. Buster Glosson, a John McCain supporter who ran the air attack in the first Gulf War, said, "It bothers me any time anyone running for the highest office in the land fabricates a story.
"That should bother any American, whether you're military or nonmilitary." Another source, a former Army analyst who was stationed abroad when dignitaries visited, said, "You know, we have soldiers overseas now who are getting shot at by real bullets from real enemies who really want to kill them. "Getting shot at by snipers is not something you forget - or make light of," he added.
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03-27-2008, 04:31
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Lying bitch.
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But then her response to the lie.." I made a mistake....so what"
Now thats just being a self righteous Bitch.
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03-27-2008, 05:01
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You guys all know Obama MADE her say that, right?
It amazes me, to no end, that any politician can say something like this, get caught, and still be in the running. It amazes me...
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03-27-2008, 08:31
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I have heard Bush "mis-speak" plenty of times over the course of his Presidency. Usually tripping over a word, or omitting a word, or mixing a word up. Happens all the time. I do it all the time.
This bitch didn't "mis-speak."
She lied.
BIG difference.
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03-27-2008, 09:16
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You guys all know Obama MADE her say that, right?
It amazes me, to no end, that any politician can say something like this, get caught, and still be in the running. It amazes me...
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You already forgot the last "Dim" presidential candidate?
john kerry, liar, fraud, kennedy wannabe, almost elected president of the United States.......
How much more of a liar can a "Dim" be before he or she is elected president?
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03-27-2008, 09:57
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I don't know however....
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How much more of a liar can a "Dim" be before he or she is elected president?
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If Obama gets elected! I'm SCREWED!
Stay safe.
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03-27-2008, 10:15
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Doesn't say much about our Nation, as a whole, does it...? This is me, during the election:  and watching predator, over, and over, and over... Since there is no "None of the above" block on the ballot... What's the point?
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
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03-27-2008, 10:31
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Doesn't say much about our Nation, as a whole, does it...? This is me, during the election:  and watching predator, over, and over, and over... Since there is no "None of the above" block on the ballot... What's the point?
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None of the above....wonder if they could just not fill the position for a while...
"The position of President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces will be held in abeyance until such time as a qualified candidate for the position is located. The Acting POTUS for administrative purposes will be ......"
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03-27-2008, 10:47
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If Obama gets elected! I'm SCREWED!
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We all are...
Same with Hillary. They're both terrible. They both have this in common - The Gov't can solve all problems - any problems. Big Brother is the answer for everything. Gov't solves our school problems, our banking problems, our healthcare problems, our environmental problems, our economic problems, our communities' problems, our racial problems...and...and...and...ad infinitum. To win among the Democrats you MUST be comfortable with lies and half-truths or you don't stand a chance. The Republicans aren't much better, but they are better. On second thought, when compared to the Dems they're a lot better.
The French philosopher DeTocqueville said America's Democracy would truly be in danger when the citizens resorted to voting themselves all the goodies from the national treasury - The people controlling the purse is Democracy's fatal conceit. It will probably kill us. What's scary is that we're getting close to that reality today - I'm not sure if the current system is sustainable for another 20 years like this. We're going to spend ourselves into the poor house. The democrats seem to be on a mission to kill us both morally and fiscally.
Liars and fools.
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03-27-2008, 11:05
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None of the above....wonder if they could just not fill the position for a while...
"The position of President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces will be held in abeyance until such time as a qualified candidate for the position is located. The Acting POTUS for administrative purposes will be ......"
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Already is a provision for that.
Do you want Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi in charge?
TR
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03-27-2008, 11:12
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Already is a provision for that.
Do you want Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi in charge?
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03-27-2008, 12:04
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How much more of a liar can a "Dim" be before he or she is elected president?
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Since democrats are not held accountable for what they say or lie about the skies the limit. And if you call them out on it you’re either a racist or chauvinist.
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03-27-2008, 17:30
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Perhaps if enough people did a write in vote for "none of the above"?
We need a leader that is a good mix of:
1. John Wayne
2. Ronald Reagan
3. Clint Eastwood
4. Lee Marvin
5. Aude Murphy
6. Chuck Norris
7. Charles Bronson
8. Robin Williams (a president gotta have a senseof humor)
Any ideas?
I'd vote for anyone that came close to any of the above. Who picks these canidates, anyway?
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
"The Reaper"
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03-27-2008, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo
"The position of President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces
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Sir...this is what is really frightening, and Oh My God help us.
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Originally Posted by grog18b
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How about Team Sergeant, The Reaper, NDD, etc...
An SF Soldier for President!...And the world would be a safer place, IMHO.
Holly
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03-28-2008, 09:36
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The Moral Side of War: Hillary, Bosnia’s Last Casualty
The Moral Side of War: Hillary, Bosnia’s Last Casualty
March 28th, 2008 by Richard F. Miller
He that shall live this day, and see old age,Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,But he’ll remember with advantagesWhat feats he did that day:
—Henry V, William Shakespeare
As the above suggests, society has always been somewhat tolerant in permitting certain persons to embellish war stories–as long as they were veterans, bore arms honorably, and were actually present at the engagement. After all, few care if a soldier who actually fought his way out of the Bastogne exaggerates the number of enemy he may have killed, the cold temperatures, or the men whose lives he may have saved. And most readers of Henry V believe that the words, “he’ll remember with advantages/What feats he did that day” specifically refer to a right to embellish. Perhaps it’s something that one earns by simply having been there and survived. And actually being a veteran is the only thing that makes such talk acceptable, if not entirely respectable. I’ve known a number of combat journalists, and outside of their reporting, few will personally discuss their own experiences, let alone add to it in some way to pretend to valor. Such folks have seen the real McCoy and wouldn’t think of, to paraphrase a recent author on the subject, “stealing valor.”
However, war fakers seem to come in two varieties: there are younger people wearing ragged, current issue uniforms whose MOS now includes Winter Soldiering (and turn out to have been either Fobbitts or in drug rehab without having served a day.) And then there are the politicians. Before the internet, there were arguably more such pols, because determining whether somebody served as a Navy SEAL or in the army of the Student Deferred was so much harder than now. Today, a pol is only an internet key stroke away from having his or her career wrecked.
But Hillary, Hero of Tuzla, has given us something new: she never claimed to have served a day in uniform but there she was on a Bosnian tarmac, ducking sniper fire with Chelsea. You see Bill had to make tough calls as commander-in-chief. And in war, somebody is always expendable. (Hey, FDR did the same thing during WWII: when Colonel Carlson’s Second Marine Raider Battalion was ordered to raid Makin Island, the president’s son Jimmy, never physically well, went ashore nonetheless. Well, I think it’s the same thing, isn’t it?)
Meanwhile, in an irony that could stand for just how morally corrupt our political leadership has become, when General Petreaus testified before Hillary last fall, she questioned his credibility.
Some might call it pure, unmitigated chutzpah.
But I’m much more forgiving. I figure that last week, Hillary was just suffering from PTSD.
http://talkradionews.com/2008/03/the...lty-of-bosnia/
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