Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all: The Black KKK

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Sigaba,

Would you consider Johnny Rebel, David Allen Coe, Skrewdriver or Bound for Glory in the same light as Hip Hop?

I will address your question after you do me the courtesy of answering the question I posed to you here <<LINK>>.

[Paslode]

Fair enough.

I don't listen to either genre of this crap...what I am referring to is hate filled lyrics, social and political angst, glorification of violence, killing people, etc.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Sigaba,

Would you consider Johnny Rebel, David Allen Coe, Skrewdriver or Bound for Glory in the same light as Hip Hop?

Generally, I do not discuss genres of music about which I don't know. But since you asked, the answer to your question is "no."

There are four basic methods of artistic expression in hip hop. The musicians you referenced appear not to have expertise in any of those four modes.

Originally Posted by Paslode

Fair enough.

I don't listen to either genre of this crap...what I am referring to is hate filled lyrics, social and political angst, glorification of violence, killing people, etc.

Am I understanding you correctly? You claim not to have any in depth knowledge of topic A or topic B, but you have opinions of both.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Am I understanding you correctly? You claim not to have any in depth knowledge of topic A or topic B, but you have opinions of both.

I find that everyone seems to be exposed to hip hop within a hundred meters of most stop lights, car washes, or gas stations. You don't have to study it. In fact, you can hardly avoid hearing it.

The people who listen to it seem to think that everyone enjoys hearing misogynist, hate-filled, violent lyrics, including women and children in the vicinity. That is where my kids first heard the "N-Word" and "MF." Hey! Maybe Coe was an early rapper?

If I was an evil bastard, and wanted to raise my children to be drug addled haters, sperm donors, abusers, and racists, that is just what I would make them listen to.

The broadcasters do seem to be easily offended when you ask them to turn it down. Especially if you are white.

I think if I played truckstop tapes of David Allen Coe at stoplights at volume setting 11, I would certainly be told bluntly to turn it off, and probably be threatened or accosted.

TR

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Generally, I do not discuss genres of music about which I don't know. But since you asked, the answer to your question is "no."

There are four basic methods of artistic expression in hip hop. The musicians you referenced appear not to have expertise in any of those four modes.
Am I understanding you correctly? You claim not to have any in depth knowledge of topic A or topic B, but you have opinions of both.

I have 2 ears which to hear with and it is difficult not to hear if the sounds are near, and I do not care for what I have heard. IN regards to hip-Hop you can hear the vile lyrics, the thumping and the bumping 'blocks' away...if they are within 50 feet you can hear the metal of the vehicle vibrate.

The only reason I asked, and I maybe wrong, but it seemed to me that you were romanticizing the intrusive and abusive Hip-Hop culture in Post 29.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I don't listen to either genre of this crap...what I am referring to is hate filled lyrics, social and political angst, glorification of violence, killing people, etc.

Not a Clifford Joseph Trahan fan?

Richard

[PRB]

Sent the article to Congressman West and he agrees with the author...he also agrees, as we've had the conversation before, in the enabling of violent, demeaning rap/hip hop music as a cultural millstone.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by panama jack

Heres a twist to this rap music influence theory/discussion. I live in the North Georgia and on any given Saturday morning, afternoon OR LATE NIGHT; in any, high school or middle school yard and at any Racetrack or QT Gas Station. Look and Listen long enough and you will see confederate flags, dreadlocks, cowboy boots, big belt buckles, saggy pants that reveal underwear, gucci bags, and ratty back packs, F-150 pick-up trucks, SUV's with Primos and bone collector decals. AND YOU HEAR PLENTY of rap music. I could go on but why prolong the agony.

Whites kids make up eighty- five percent of the community I live in. Most of what I described is white kids, and yes there area few white kids who want to wear dreadlocks too. White and black kids both are listening to a lot or RAP MUSIC and HIP HOP. Jay-Z; Tupac; Biggie Smalls; Eminem; lil wayne, etc. etc. These kids who listn to this music in my town are mostly white, the point - white kids listen to HIP HOP and RAP music just as much if not more than black kids. And yes it has an influence, on both groups.

just my .02

No argument there.

I don't think it is good for any kids, regardless of color.

Especially mine.

TR

[Peregrino]

I don't understand the hostile tone towards "ethnic" music. You guys need to broaden your viewpoint. I too once thought as you do - then I moved to the middle of nowhere. Now I appreciate the early warning provided by the mindless "thump thump" and earsplitting "hate filled" lyrics. Pull up in my yard with that crap playing and you'll get a laser through the driver's window. Try to get out of the car and it'll be followed with 30 rounds of whatever I happened to grab when the dogs started raising hell. And I don't care what color you are - as far as I care, the music is an indicator of mindset.

And no - it doesn't bother me in town either. They're not sneaking up on me while playing that trash, and even at above average volumes it's still competing with the noise of a diesel truck and classical music (gotta keep the blood pressure down somehow).

[99meters]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Pull up in my yard with that crap playing and you'll get a laser through the driver's window. Try to get out of the car and it'll be followed with 30 rounds of whatever I happened to grab when the dogs started raising hell. And I don't care what color you are - as far as I care, the music is an indicator of mindset.

I guess none of the younger guys in my department should stop by your home and ask for directions.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by 99meters

I guess none of the younger guys in my department should stop by your home and ask for directions.

Trust me, you would have to be REALLY lost to get to Peregrino's house.

In fact, the directions include the proverbial, "turn off the paved road" and further instructions as to how many miles to proceed. His is the last house, and I think he likes it that way.

And no low riders will make it through the potholes from hell. They look more like anti-tank ditches.

TR

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Richard

Not a Clifford Joseph Trahan fan?

Richard

While I do enjoy and I do appreciate music of many types.......I must say no Mr. Trahan.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Entire post.

Like reading and studying, hearing and listening are different activities.

[DaveMatteson]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Okay, I am a white man with an opinion about race, so I understand that automatically makes me a racist to some.

Taylor was a thug, led a thug lifestyle, and died like a thug, likely at the hands of another thug. The real surprise here is that someone would actually say it publicly.

I seriously doubt that the killer looked like Joe Gibbs.


TR

I chose to quote you TR because your comments are the closest to what I was going to explain.

At the end of the last school semester (April 2011) my boss invited the Gang Task Force to come to our school after someone had told the her that there were several "gang members" in our school. This, after a young man had been shot and killed in a school in Madison, Al.

During the presentation they showed photos of what gang signs look like. Of 15 pictures they showed to the kids 8 were of pro athletes throwing gang signs at other athletes for either fouling them or for being members of rival gangs. This is one reason why I have instilled into my children that athletes, actors, singers, and other "stars" are not role models or heroes.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by DaveMatteson

During the presentation they showed photos of what gang signs look like. Of 15 pictures they showed to the kids 8 were of pro athletes throwing gang signs at other athletes for either fouling them or for being members of rival gangs. This is one reason why I have instilled into my children that athletes, actors, singers, and other "stars" are not role models or heroes.

Were any of the photos of Paul "The Truth" Pierce of the Celtics?

If so, did anyone point out that Boston starts with a "b"? Or that Boston has an incredibly fierce rivalry with the Hawks that dates back to the early 1980s? (And that the Celtics never ever forget such things.)

Or did they just run with the angle that since Pierce is from Inglewood he must be affiliated? (In which case, the next question would be, Does it make sense that any shot caller would tolerate such a public display by an athlete given the infighting among sets?)

Parenthetically, it is amazing to me that so much of a stink was made over the incident with Pierce while nothing was ever said about Serbian players throwing up their three fingered salutes during NBA contests, especially during the mid 1990s. But then, it isn't like ethnic rivalries among Europeans have ever caused any problems for the United States.)