I wanna be a Sheriff!

[bost1751]

Correction, Edgar Ray. No matter what you call him he's stil a pos.

[Guy]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

The KKK is cyclical anyway. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see a resurgence because of illegal immigration.

Don't forget the NAACP....

[The_Future]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

The KKK is cyclical anyway. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see a resurgence because of illegal immigration.

I don't think that will happen. The majority of the illegal immigration (Mexican) that I come into contact with are drug traffickers. To know that one would know that they are not intimidated with ease. They are well organized and their drug trafficking is intertwined in their religious beliefs (ex. Santa Morte). Reality is they are the new MOB. The Klan are extremist just like Hamas, White Supremacist, Crips..etc.....The Klan could not rid America of Black people and they wont with Hispanics either.

[spectre919]

I was stationed in WY for three years. The "anti" Fed attitude is pretty common there.....along with antelope, elk, moose, and bison (i'm gettin hungry ).

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally Posted by FutureOf_SF

I don't think that will happen. The majority of the illegal immigration (Mexican) that I come into contact with are drug traffickers. To know that one would know that they are not intimidated with ease. They are well organized and their drug trafficking is intertwined in their religious beliefs (ex. Santa Morte). Reality is they are the new MOB. The Klan are extremist just like Hamas, White Supremacist, Crips..etc.....The Klan could not rid America of Black people and they wont with Hispanics either.

Yeah, that you come into contact with. You are a narcotics LEO, so that makes sense. You are buying their propaganda if you believe religion and drug dealing are in anyway connected. I'm not at all sure what you mean by "Santa Morte." "Morte" is Portuguese, not Spanish. If you mean Doña Sebastiana, that is a cult, not a religion and it has nothing really to do with drugs per se.

I didn't say the KKK would rid the US of Hispanics, I said it wouldn't surprise me to see a resurgence because of illegal immigration. You think it is a huge leap from Minutemen to KKK? You think the KKK started any differently? Might want to do some research into mob mentality, group dynamics and the history of vigilante groups. The AUC didn't start out as a drug running organization.

On a different note, I'm not sure I follow the user name. We have a rule here, if you are not SF, you don't put SF in your user name. Feel free to PM me any mitigating circumstances you feel might apply, or your choice of a new user name.

Welcome to PS.com

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally Posted by spectre919

I was stationed in WY for three years. The "anti" Fed attitude is pretty common there.....along with antelope, elk, moose, and bison (i'm gettin hungry ).

Any thoughts as to why?

[Defender968]

FutureOf_SF I think you view may be a bit over simplified. I understand as a Narco detective you see allot of illegals who are drug runners/dealers, and while I agree with your description of the drug running type, they are only a small portion of the illegal immigrant population. They are not who the Klan will target, the folks in the Klan are ignorant but they're not stupid. I’d wager if you talk to your brothers on the road in patrol you would find they deal with many illegal immigrants who have nothing to do with drugs, but do work in construction and on the farms in NC. These are the people that the Klan will go after. While they did not succeed in their previous endeavors I don't think that will stop them from continuing to spread hate. If you've lived in NC for very long you should know there are places where the Klan never truly went away, just laid dormant. Out in the Smithfield area would be a great example. They'll use peoples fear over illegal immigration to spread hate, raise money, and gain influence.

In SC we've already had multiple crimes portrayed on hardworking but illegal Hispanic immigrants. Some crimes were based on their race, and others because the honest ones (i.e. non drug dealers) are easy targets due to the fact that they carry large amounts of cash and won't go to the police. In many cases the hispanic victims would rather just deal with what happened than to have "la migra" come banging on their doors. The illegal immigrant culture is extremely skeptical of the police in any form and often will not call even if things have already turned violent. I have no doubt there are many more crimes we haven't even heard about because they go unreported.

Not that media is always correct by any stretch, but check out this article,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251427,00.html it would seem to indicate that what NousDefionsDoc said months ago is already happening.

Just my .02

[NousDefionsDoc]

Yes, they eat their own and you will usually not hear a lot about it.

[The_Future]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Yeah, that you come into contact with. You are a narcotics LEO, so that makes sense. You are buying their propaganda if you believe religion and drug dealing are in anyway connected. I'm not at all sure what you mean by "Santa Morte." "Morte" is Portuguese, not Spanish. If you mean Doña Sebastiana, that is a cult, not a religion and it has nothing really to do with drugs per se.

I didn't say the KKK would rid the US of Hispanics, I said it wouldn't surprise me to see a resurgence because of illegal immigration. You think it is a huge leap from Minutemen to KKK? You think the KKK started any differently? Might want to do some research into mob mentality, group dynamics and the history of vigilante groups. The AUC didn't start out as a drug running organization.

On a different note, I'm not sure I follow the user name. We have a rule here, if you are not SF, you don't put SF in your user name. Feel free to PM me any mitigating circumstances you feel might apply, or your choice of a new user name.

Welcome to PS.com

NDD, Santa Muerte (Holy Death) and Jesus Malverde (Patron Saint to Drug Traffickers) is talked about in this course.

WWW.narcoticstraining.com/seminars

And Minutemen believe in the law. Their project is against violence. The Klan believe in their law. We know their history. Similar to FREEMAN. And being Afro-American/Dominican I know better than most. They are still out there. Just more covert.

WWW.minutemanproject.com

I deal with organized crime groups everyday. My unit infiltrates them and breaks them down from the inside out and bottom to top. The last three years of my life have been in an undercover capacity. The DEA get locals to do the U/C work because after 9/11 their mandate upgraded to title 3's (Wire Taps). So in essence they need us just as much as we need them.

And as for the name I have PM'D you.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Neither of which is religion, but rather cult. Drug dealing is a strictly for profit proposition - don't buy into the other crap. There is no "patron saint of drug traffickers." Neither of those are saints anyway. They made that shit up. Hanlon's Razor applies.

When I read your response about the Minutemen, I actually sighed. Out loud.

If I were you, I wouldn't be posting that on the internet. Perhaps instead of worrying about Doña Sebastiana you should take a course in PERSEC.

As for the user name, I already changed it.

[The_Future]

Originally Posted by Defender968

FutureOf_SF I think you view may be a bit over simplified. I understand as a Narco detective you see allot of illegals who are drug runners/dealers, and while I agree with your description of the drug running type, they are only a small portion of the illegal immigrant population. They are not who the Klan will target, the folks in the Klan are ignorant but they're not stupid. I’d wager if you talk to your brothers on the road in patrol you would find they deal with many illegal immigrants who have nothing to do with drugs, but do work in construction and on the farms in NC. These are the people that the Klan will go after. While they did not succeed in their previous endeavors I don't think that will stop them from continuing to spread hate. If you've lived in NC for very long you should know there are places where the Klan never truly went away, just laid dormant. Out in the Smithfield area would be a great example. They'll use peoples fear over illegal immigration to spread hate, raise money, and gain influence.

In SC we've already had multiple crimes portrayed on hardworking but illegal Hispanic immigrants. Some crimes were based on their race, and others because the honest ones (i.e. non drug dealers) are easy targets due to the fact that they carry large amounts of cash and won't go to the police. In many cases the hispanic victims would rather just deal with what happened than to have "la migra" come banging on their doors. The illegal immigrant culture is extremely skeptical of the police in any form and often will not call even if things have already turned violent. I have no doubt there are many more crimes we haven't even heard about because they go unreported.

Not that media is always correct by any stretch, but check out this article,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251427,00.html it would seem to indicate that what NousDefionsDoc said months ago is already happening.

Just my .02

I agree...let me say that all Mexicans are not drug dealing, cold hearted sob's. Just like all blacks are not gang members. It's funny how people get labeled because of others. And my statement of minutemen goes with the same jusitce is blind mindset. Well all know it is not. It is a difference between being a racist and a coward and just being a racist. I spent four years in patrol. I see how people treated me then and how the treat me now that i work U/C.

[spectre919]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Any thoughts as to why?

NDD-

The predominant attitude in WY is self-reliance. They don't ask for much from the Fed's and really don't want alot of outside interference.

In a lot of ways WY doesn't really have a shared experience with many other states. They don't feel the economic drain on their state/county governments that other states do; they are the 3rd largest geographic state, with a little over 550k residents.
1) There is no "personal income tax" because the state makes enough revenue through precious metals and gems, they just don't need to tax personal income.
2) Serious crime is realitively non-existant, so they don't need large prison systems.
3) State provided healthcare/wellfare for the poor is pretty damn good, but because the population is so small it is again pretty much paid for by 1).
4) The state owns quite a bit of land there so they make pretty good money from the cattle ranchers that use the land for grazing. This is also a good thing for the citizens (ie, I used to go shoot on state land anytime I wanted to: 365)
5) It is still legal to "open-carry" a sidearm or long-gun in public; NO permit required...of course all of the concealed carry laws apply (places that you can/can't carry, etc.)

So I guess they have the mindset that "we are rather untouched by many of the problems throughout the rest of the country; let's leave it that way." If you ever get a chance to read up on the Johnson County War and some of the politics associated with it, that will give you a glimpse of the powers that made Wyoming what it is.

From what I witnessed while I was there, little has changed.

Hope this helps.

S

I loved it out there and would return in a heart-beat.

[lksteve]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Any thoughts as to why?

beyond what spectre919 has already answered, i'd offer a couple more...the Federal Government "owns" most of Wyoming...if you have never lived with the BLM or Forest Service as a neighbor, it would be hard to understand how frustrating and enraging it can be...beyond Joe Citizen thinking that your cattle pasture is his overnight campground, there are serious issues involving land use that an easterner or anyone else not encumbered with dealing with bureaucrats would find impossible...example...in most of the western US, subsurface rights are not owned by the person who has title to the surface...in many areas, the Feds own the ground beneath your foundation...this conundrum is subject to all sorts of misinterpretation, particularly if you have an "eco-friendly" (read anti-American) administration in the White House like the recent Democratic folks...during one faux pas press briefing, a local BLM guru brought forth the notion that land owners may have to have a federal permit to build fences, plow fields etc., as those activities encroach into the public domain...living next to land owned by the US of A makes this sort of nonsense very prevalent (aforementioned bureaucrat was moved to a safe location before her neck could be stretched...and the comment was disavowed by the WJC administration, although this person was lauded upon hiring for her environmental fervor)...
in short, the Feds are the 800 pound gorilla...

roads that have been commonly used for 100+ years wind up in "Wilderness" areas and locals have to fight tooth and nail to keep them opened...San Juan County, Utah has been at war with the BLM for as long as i can remember over this issue...basically, the Feds wanted to close a county road, altering a 20 mile trip (one-way) for groceries, medical care, etc., to a nearly 75 mile one way trip for the same, all to preserve Indian ruins in the land nearby...now i have no complaint about preserving pre-Colombian artifacts, but the truth be known, there were insufficient BLM rangers to do the job, so why block a road...?

i could go on, but most westerners, particularly rural westerners, have a strong distrust of the Federal government...and Wyoming is a very rural state...

and the wind blows in Wyoming because Nebraska sucks...

[spectre919]

Originally Posted by lksteve

and the wind blows in Wyoming because Nebraska sucks...

..yep...it's as if you know that bad stretch of road along I-80 aka NE....

Thank's for pointing out the BLM thing...totally forgot about that goatrope.

[lksteve]

Originally Posted by spectre919

..yep...it's as if you know that bad stretch of road along I-80 aka NE....

oh, yeah...driven I-80 across the state a time or six...drive I-25 the length of the state as well...and Nebraska...well, someone has to live there...glad it ain't me...