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Old 01-19-2007, 08:24   #421
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Perspective...

Chinese press is great at reporting this stuff when it's elsewhere. And there's nothing right over the border in southern China, where this all started...Riiight.

The Thais are really good at being safe rather than sorry. They had 400 people under observation this summer and only a nadful were positive.
26 suspected human bird-flu cases detected in northern Thailand

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...19_342951.html

A total of 26 suspected human bird- flu cases were being closely watched in Thailand's northern province of Phitsanulok since they fell sick after contacting with dead birds, the chief public health officer of the province said Friday.

Thawatchai Kamoltham, chief Phitsanulok public health officer, said 15 of the 26 people whose symptoms are similar to those of the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus were officials taking part in culling infected fowls.

The rest were villagers from three districts of Muang, Wat Bote and Bang Rakam, Thawatchai was quoted by Thai news group The Nation as saying.

However, only three of the 26 have been admitted to hospitals while the rest were being closely monitored at their home, the report said.

Local health authorities had declared a duck farm in Tortae sub- district of Phitsanulok off-limits for two weeks as a precaution. About 600 ducks in the farm have been slaughtered. It is also reported that there are also about 30 pigs in the province which may have contracted bird flu.

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Old 01-21-2007, 13:00   #422
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I've read this thread for some time and thought about asking a question to those that study this daily.

I have had many discussions with equine vets about the 1918 flu and some of the vets have done their own research on the possible equine connection. There are numerous times in history where one can correlate human outbreaks with equine outbreaks.

In 1918, during and post WW1, there was an influx in the consumption of horse meat.
By April 1918, civilian and military horses un Europe were affected by horse flu or strangles.

Fast forward to today. The USA exports equine for consumption to predominantly Asian countries. Horses are not bred, especially in western countries, with the intent of human consumption. There are drugs and vaccinations given to horses that are illegal for animals bred for slaughter.

Equine flu jumped species to dogs in 2003 in FL (link.

Then there is Equine Encephalitis which can spread from birds to mosquitos to horses to humans. New epidemic in FL started in 2006 (link) (link).

I understand the theory of bird to human, but could it be the consumption of horse meat makes this jump more possible? It has been suggested, and it is a theory with no proof that I am aware of, that the jump from horses to dogs occurred in greyhounds that were fed bad horse meat.

Just wondering.

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Old 01-22-2007, 16:22   #423
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Tamiful resistance seen in Egypt

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2007_01_18/en/index.html

Avian influenza - situation in Egypt - update

18 January 2007

Viruses with a genetic mutation, linked in laboratory testing to moderately reduced susceptibility to oseltamivir, have been discovered in two persons previously reported with H5N1 infections in Egypt.

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Current laboratory testing suggests that the level of reduced susceptibility is moderate. This mutation has previously been identified in Viet Nam in one case in 2005. Moreover, these mutations are not associated with any known change in the transmissibility of the virus between humans.
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Old 01-31-2007, 09:41   #424
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Four suspected bird flu deaths in Nigeria

This is where things could get a bit sporty: Four suspected bird flu deaths in Nigeria
LAGOS, Nigeria - Four Nigerians are suspected to have died from H5N1 bird flu, but tests on three of the victims were inconclusive and the virus was confirmed scientifically in only one case, a senior health official said on Wednesday.

Abdulsalam Nasidi, a bird flu expert at the health ministry, said the three inconclusive cases were the mother of the confirmed case in Lagos, a poultry worker in northeastern Taraba state and one person in far northeastern Borno state.

It doesn't say so here, but the timing of the infection onsets in the mother-daughter deaths suggest H2H. Same pattern as Indo, clusters in family members with care-givers falling ill after close contact. Other family members are ill and are being tested. I expect the results to come back "inconclusive."

I suspect that if they could isolate a virus, it would reveal the Tamiflu resistance that NAMRU-3 reported in the Egyptian cases (and will soon report in the recent Azerbaijan death, from what I hear).

H5N1 is now firmly entrenched in poultry flocks in sub-equitorial Africa, which is also the AIDS belt. Ironically, many scientists think that the impaired immune system in AIDS patients will allow them to weather the cytokine storm. The worry is that this will make these people the perfect mixing vessel for recombination with H3 flu.

I am told there is huge and growing resentment towards WHO inside many NGOs and UN alphabets working in Africa. They feel that millions are dieing each year from diseases that can/must be controlled (measles, infant diarrhea, AIDS, malaria) and that all a county's resources tend to be thrown at BF because of the fianancial exposure by the ruling elite (they own/control the tourist sites, poultry processing, etc.). There is great pressure being exerted to mute the messages coming out of Africa. A countervailing influence is sure to be the local politicos' desire to lay their hands on some nice juicy international aid money.
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:02   #425
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I am told there is huge and growing resentment towards WHO inside many NGOs and UN alphabets working in Africa. They feel that millions are dieing each year from diseases that can/must be controlled (measles, infant diarrhea, AIDS, malaria) and that all a county's resources tend to be thrown at BF because of the fianancial exposure by the ruling elite (they own/control the tourist sites, poultry processing, etc.). There is great pressure being exerted to mute the messages coming out of Africa. A countervailing influence is sure to be the local politicos' desire to lay their hands on some nice juicy international aid money.
We could save millions every year, were the enviroNazis not so bend on banning pesticides.

DDT, used properly in Africa, could cut the malaria deaths by more than half.

I guess the anti-pesticide concept is worth more to them than the cost in human lives.

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DDT is in fact being used again vs malaria in South Africa & probably other nations by now.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:30   #427
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I see the NYT is finally on board.

Still reading, trying to find where they blame the POTUS for this. They did take a dig at the war in Iraq at the end.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/he...gewanted=print

February 1, 2007

U.S. Issues Guidelines in Case of Flu Pandemic

By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.

ATLANTA, Feb. 1 — Cities should close schools for up to three months in the event of a severe flu outbreak, ball games and movies should be canceled and working hours staggered so subways and buses are less crowded, the federal government advised today in issuing new pandemic flu guidelines to states and cities.

Health officials acknowledged that such measures would hugely disrupt public life, but they argued that these measure would buy the time needed to produce vaccines and would save lives because flu viruses attack in waves lasting about two months.

“We have to be prepared for a Category 5 pandemic,” said Dr. Martin Cetron, director of global migration and quarantine for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in releasing the guidelines. “It’s not easy. The only thing that’s harder is facing the consequences. That will be intolerable.”

In an innovation, the new guidelines are modeled on the five levels of hurricanes, but ranked by lethality instead of wind speed. Category 1, which assumes 90,000 Americans would die, is equivalent to a bad year for seasonal flu, Glen Nowak, a C.D.C. spokesman, said. (About 36,000 Americans die of flu in an average year.) Category 5, which assumes 1.8 million dead, is the equivalent of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. (That flu killed about 2 percent of those infected; the H5N1 flu now circulating in Asia has killed more than 50 percent but is not easily transmitted.)

The new guidelines also advocate having sick people and all their families even apparently healthy members stay home for 7 to 10 days.

They advise against closing state borders or airports because crucial deliveries, including food, would stop. They did not offer guidance on wearing masks, but Dr. Cetron said the C.D.C. would issue advice on this soon.

The guidelines are only advisory, since authority for measures like closing schools rests with state and city officials; but many local officials had asked for guidance, Dr. Cetron said.

The federal government has taken primary responsibility for developing and stockpiling vaccines and antiviral drugs, as well as masks and some other supplies.

Today’s guidelines are partly based on a recent study of how 44 cities fared in the 1918 epidemic conducted jointly by the C.D.C. and the University of Michigan’s medical school. Historians and epidemiologists pored over hospital records and newspaper clippings, trying to determine what factors partly spared some cities and doomed others.

While a few tiny towns escaped the epidemic entirely by cutting off all contact with outside, most cities took less drastic measures. These included isolating the sick and quarantining homes and rooming houses, closing schools, churches, bars and other gathering places, canceling parades, ball games, theaters and other public events, staggering factory hours, barring door-to-door sales, discouraging the use of public transport and encouraging the use of face masks.

The most effective measure seemed to be moving early and quickly. For example, said Dr. Howard Markel, a medical historian and one of the study’s leaders, Philadelphia, the worst-hit city, had nearly three times as many sick and dead per capita as St. Louis, which had was hit weeks later by the virus moving inland from the Eastern Seaboard and had time to react as soon as flu cases rose above averages.

“No matter how you set up the model,” Dr. Markel said, “the cities that acted earlier and with more layered protective measures fared better.”

Any pandemic is expected to move faster than a new vaccine can be produced; current experimental vaccines against H5N1 avian flu are in short supply and based on strains isolated in 2004 or 2005. Although the government is creating a $4 billion stockpile of the antiviral drug Tamiflu, it is only useful when taken within the first 48 hours, and Tamiflu-resistant flu strains have already been found in Vietnam and Egypt.

“No one’s arguing that by closing all the schools, you’re going to prevent the spread,” Dr. Markel added. “But if you can cut cases by 10 or 20 or 30 percent and it’s your family that’s spared, that’s a big deal.”

School closures can be very controversial, and picking the right moment is hard, because it must be done before cases soar.

Jeffrey Levi, executive director of the Trust for America’s Health, a health policy organization, noted that in poor city neighborhoods, 30 to 60 percent of all children get breakfasts or lunches crucial to their nutrition at school.

“What are you going to do about that?” he asked.

Dr. Markel said it might be possible to keep the cafeterias open and transport food to points where parents could pick it up, a move that would also keep cafeteria workers and bus drivers employed.

Several public health experts praised the C.D.C. guidelines, although there were some quibbles with aspects of them.

Dr. Michael T. Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, said he saw no point in fretting over exactly when to close schools, because his experience in meningitis outbreaks convinced him that terrified parents would keep their children at home anyway.

“I don’t think we’ll have to pull that trigger,” he said. “The hard part is going to be unpulling it. How do the principals know when schools should open again?”

Other experts pointed out that children out of school often behave in ways that are nearly as contagious. Youngsters are sent to day care centers, and teenagers gather in malls or at each others’ houses.

“We’ll be facing the same problem, but without the teaching,” said Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “They might as well be in class.”

Also, he noted, many employed people cannot afford to stay at home and the financial stress from not working could increase domestic violence. And he said most states and cities lacked the money to carry out the suggested guidelines or to stage drills of them.

Dr. Cetron argued that caring for children in groups of six or fewer cut transmission risks. He also argued that parents would keep many children from gathering.

“My kids aren’t going to be going to the mall,” he said.

The historian John Barry, author of “The Great Influenza,” a history of the 1918 flu, questioned an idea underpinning the study’s conclusions. There is evidence, he said, that some cities with low sickness and death rates in 1918, including St. Louis and Cincinnati, were hit by a milder spring wave of the virus. That would have, in effect, inoculated their citizens against the more severe fall wave and might have been more important than their public health measures.

The guidelines did not suggest using the military to enforce quarantines, as President Bush said he might do when he first mentioned avian flu in 2005.

Dr. Levi said that using the National Guard to set up temporary clinics or move pharmaceutical supplies might make sense.

“But they’re not there,” he said. “The people who know how to run field hospitals are in Iraq.”
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What they said about the NG medical units being deployed seems to be just the truth.

Looks like the guideline document intro page is here:
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/comm...itigation.html

PDF downloadable as:
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/comm...mitigation.pdf

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Who the hell writes this stuff anyway? I love the punchline at the end.

Appendix 9 at the end are a few pages intended for distribution to individuals:

This Pandemic Influenza Community Mitigation Interim Planning Guide for Individuals and Families provides guidance describing how individuals and families might prepare for and respond to an influenza pandemic. At the onset of an influenza pandemic, public health officials will determine the severity of the pandemic and recommend actions to protect the community’s health. People who become severely ill may need to be cared for in a hospital.
However, most people with influenza will be safely cared for at home.

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Old 02-03-2007, 09:47   #429
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Who the hell writes this stuff anyway? ...
I actually think they have moved in the right direction, but are handcuffed by the social and political environment and the realities of a serious pandemic. The reality is that most cases of flu will be treated at home if a pandemic strikes. If it's a less-virulent strain like that in 1968, most won't require hospital care. If it's a nightmare scenario, you'll have to treat at home because the medical system will have collapsed. So, saying that most cases won't require hospital care is a lie or realpolitik, depending upon your perspective.

The hurricane rating scale of pandemic categories 1-5, if it's used correctly, is also a good idea, and takes a lot of pressure off of local authorities (Katrina analogies notwithstanding). The implications of a category 4 or 5 are clear to anyone who can think for themselves (and also has a dictionary -- recrudescent: from the ancient Aramaic -- re repeating, crud crap and mud, scent an odor, i.e. recurring crap smell, or recurring shit hitting fan).
It is recommended for planning purposes that communities be prepared to maintain interventions for up to 12 weeks, especially in the case of Category 4 or Category 5 pandemics, where recrudescent epidemics may have significant impact.
It's like the pandemic guidance that's gone out to to all DoS employees and embassies: 12 weeks of food and water vs. the two weeks recommended for US citizens. If you say three months, do you hand out vouchers to public aid recipients so they can stock up? Imagine the Dems and the field day they'd have with that -- "So, the rich live and the poor die! Katrina all over again!"
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EU confirms H5N1 bird flu virus on poultry farm in Britain


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"It's not just a national problem; people across in Holland, France, and Germany will all be rather quaking in their shoes as well," Oxford told British Broadcasting Corp. television.
I first misread that as quacking.


Will be interesting to see how the British handle this and hopefully our govt is paying attention to not repeat any mistakes they make.
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They've hopefully already made all their mistakes during the hoof and mouth debacle. I was in the UK often then. It was a positively medieval scene; smoke from dozens of carcass pyres as they burned thousand of sheep at one time.

I expect the'll be pretty draconian in their culls.
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They've hopefully already made all their mistakes during the hoof and mouth debacle. I was in the UK often then. It was a positively medieval scene; smoke from dozens of carcass pyres as they burned thousand of sheep at one time.

I expect the'll be pretty draconian in their culls.
I would have thought the same during their Mad Cow/K-J debacle, and they botched that too, as I recall.

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Infodemic

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I would have thought the same during their Mad Cow/K-J debacle, and they botched that too, as I recall.

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Well, there is that. I was living there during that time (late 80s) and ate a lot of their crappy pub grub (shepherd's pie, etc.) and their crappy beef until I discovered the wonders of Indian food. Can't donate blood as a result.

Regarding the UK situation:

The 2007 Global Risk Assessment authored by Wharton/Swiss Re/Marsh et al coins the term Infodemic, which anticipates the 24-hour news cycle's unrelenting coverage of any future disease outbreak. They discuss a future minor epidemic (1M deaths worldwide) that has profound economic and social impact because of the fear/uncertainty/doubt produced by the MSM's "information epidemic".

Google News has over 600 news items in 18 hours >

infodemic.jpg

This is only turkeys. Imagine if FOX/CNN show an unending video loop of a biohazard team removing bodies from a first-world house, or mass funeral pyres in Nigeria. Instantaneous, mass freakout.
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Is GB's poultry industry conducted indoors like ours, or are there innumerable small outdoor flocks?

And I think the USA will lag behind in any Infodemic because I don't see why the MSM would do any less censorship on the graphic details of a pandemic than they normally do for genocide & terrorist acts.

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Is GB's poultry industry conducted indoors like ours, or are there innumerable small outdoor flocks?
Indoor factories, like us. Small hobby flocks are common outdoors, but they don't take pride in mass, free-range poultry operations like the French do. (The chicken is the national symbol of the French - well, the cockerel anyway. Trés amusing, n'est-ce pas?) It'll be interesting to see if the French bring their flocks indoors.

Almost all EU operations (outside of the Phrench) are factory farms, except run to fanatical levels of cleanliness. I was at a Danish chicken operation once. (I was on a pharma industry task force, the EU was trying to get us to stop using antibiotics in our poultry feed. The fact I was extremely junior shows how interested the company was in the idea -- we made and sold antibiotics. )They steam sterilize the coops between brood "crops" and you had to get into a full containment suit before entering a coop. The place smelled like chickens, but not the nauseating, nostril-hair shriveling, eye-stinging ammonia stench that comes from a US operation. Kinda makes you wonder how the H5N1 got into the UK operation.
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