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Old 09-19-2012, 10:04   #361
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and exacerbated by the No Child Left Behind law,
I know that Justice Souter is a liberal, but how can he say that NCLB automatically cause students to be dumber?
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:32   #362
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Our constitution does not allow for a dictator.

The US Military does not swear an oath to an individual but swears instead to defend the constitution. My point being in order to become a dictator in the USA you would need the backing of all four armed forces and Special Operations. That is "never" going to happen. Ergo there is not a federal agency (or combined federal agencies) powerful enough to take on the US Military, not even if they were all combined. The UN, is entirely, laughable.

All that said we will destroy ourselves from within soon enough. We are currently headed down a path that leads to socialism then communism.

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Old 09-19-2012, 13:12   #363
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If it.........

If it may happen it probably will if hussein obama gets another four years.

Remember what happened down in New Orleans a few days after Katrina. Cops, I didn't go down, but was asked to. When you have these knee-jerk Officers going around collecting everybodys weapons, including the incident with Grandma, you start to wonder. At least I did. And by the way, our Deputies were asked to assist in this foolish ism and they refused. FWIW?
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Old 09-19-2012, 14:01   #364
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Remember what happened down in New Orleans a few days after Katrina. Cops, I didn't go down, but was asked to. When you have these knee-jerk Officers going around collecting everybodys weapons, including the incident with Grandma, you start to wonder. At least I did. And by the way, our Deputies were asked to assist in this foolish ism and they refused. FWIW?
The only good that came of that is an awakening that caused many states to pass laws expressly forbidding such conduct by their LE, whether local or "foreign fighters." Some of those I know on a few departments thought that was a hell of an idea since they had no desire to be mixed up in such shenanigans anyway - took away their need to say "uh, nope" to the department mandarins. And in some other parts of the country such things would've felt different anyway for those doing the door-knocking.

Thinking back to Team Sergeant's post above, I find the oath next to my civ desk the same one I swore back in the 60's. I've signed alot of debriefs and NDAs (and 4187s & 3161's too) in my time but don't recall signing something that said my oath was no longer valid or I was relieved of it. There are plenty of the auxiliary out there reminding those in power of the consequences. That's a good thing. As someone once said, "Telling someone they're about to step on a mine isn't a threat - it's simply good manners."

Souter's tendencies notwithstanding, his remarks were right-on in my view. (I thank God everyday my grand-daughters have been home schooled.) Lotta youngun's think an EO by the Prez takes care of just about everything & have no clue as to the true roles of the other 2 branches - hence the lament, "Vote? Why?"

We'll see.
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Old 09-19-2012, 15:00   #365
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The article below could fit in a number of our discussions.

Suffice to say, IMO the direction by our current leadership is disturbing.

Obama’s Appeasement
The White House goes wobbly on free speech, paving the way for censorship resolutions at the U.N.

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By Brett D. Schaefer & Steven Groves
SEPTEMBER 19, 2012 12:00 P.M.

Excerpt:

"The Obama administration’s pusillanimous reaction to a YouTube trailer and violent assaults on U.S. embassies has clearly failed to assuage outrage among Muslim extremists. On the contrary, such appeasement will merely encourage similar violence in the future, along with convenient excuses of “incitement” to shift blame. The proper response is not to yield to intimidation and threats, but to resist them.

America’s image as the world’s foremost defender of free speech has suffered a serious blow; as a result, we should expect a revitalized effort to pass defamation-of-religions resolutions at the U.N. Will the Obama White House make a forceful stand in defense of the core American right of free expression? Signs are not promising."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...tt-d-schaefer#
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Old 09-19-2012, 18:05   #366
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I know that Justice Souter is a liberal, but how can he say that NCLB automatically cause students to be dumber?
Based solely our experience with my son, it is my opinion that schools go out of their way to meet the quota and rarely is it recommended that a child be held back or is flunked. There is also a constant battle between the classroom teachers and the Learning Center teachers about how much home work should be sent home and what is required in the classroom studies.

In short, expectations are set quite low and there is too much attention accommodating the 'child's needs'.

It is quite frustration and confusing for all involved.

Aside from that we have a music teacher to advocates pretending to play the instrument if you don't know the music. And every year there is at least one teachers that has a one sided political, social or environmental agenda that must be addressed.


And we're in a very decent public school district.



Give me total power, and I will solve this problem........TARP, Obama Care, TSA, Fast & Furious, NDAA, NSA, etc..etc...etc.
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Old 09-19-2012, 19:30   #367
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Our constitution does not allow for a dictator.

The US Military does not swear an oath to an individual but swears instead to defend the constitution. My point being in order to become a dictator in the USA you would need the backing of all four armed forces and Special Operations. That is "never" going to happen. Ergo there is not a federal agency (or combined federal agencies) powerful enough to take on the US Military, not even if they were all combined. The UN, is entirely, laughable.

All that said we will destroy ourselves from within soon enough. We are currently headed down a path that leads to socialism then communism.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. I need no longer run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.” Norman Mattoon Thomas

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I didn't know about that quote, Team Sergeant. Thanks, I'll be using that a lot now (if you don't mind my stealing it.) Mr. Thomas was quite prescient.
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Our constitution does not allow for a dictator.

The US Military does not swear an oath to an individual but swears instead to defend the constitution. My point being in order to become a dictator in the USA you would need the backing of all four armed forces and Special Operations. That is "never" going to happen. Ergo there is not a federal agency (or combined federal agencies) powerful enough to take on the US Military, not even if they were all combined. The UN, is entirely, laughable.

All that said we will destroy ourselves from within soon enough. We are currently headed down a path that leads to socialism then communism.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. I need no longer run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.” Norman Mattoon Thomas

(And snopes is wrong. Those who believe in snopes also believe in dragons, vampires and trolls.)
Scary and true.

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

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Old 09-21-2012, 07:46   #369
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Scary and true.

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, . . .
The record of debate shows that the delegates were most interested in the 18 "He has"'s and nine "for"s.

I imagine there may have been some, "Yeah Tom, whatever. Just make sure everyone knows this isn't our fault. Thanks."
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:05   #370
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From the NRO article

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"The Obama administration’s pusillanimous reaction to a YouTube trailer and violent assaults on U.S. embassies has clearly failed to assuage outrage among Muslim extremists. On the contrary, such appeasement will merely encourage similar violence in the future, along with convenient excuses of “incitement” to shift blame.
You mean the Global Bowing Tour during his 1st year didn't fix all this?
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Old 11-11-2012, 19:36   #371
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Executive order ~ Establishing the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council

Does this Executive Order bring us another step closer to marshall law?
http://http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...-partnership-c

For starters, I was under the impression most LE agencies shared info?

I found Sec 3 Para 5 interesting;

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Sec. 3. Mission and Function of the Council and Steering Committee. (a) The Council shall, consistent with guidance from the Steering Committee:

(v) as appropriate, conduct outreach to representatives of the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, foundations, community-based organizations, and State, local, tribal, and territorial government and law enforcement entities with relevant expertise for local homeland security partnerships, and collaborate with other Federal Government bodies;
Why in the world would the DHS need to know what is going on in the hallways/cubicles of corperations?
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Yeah I cant imagine why FEMA would want any input from the Red Cross.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:53   #373
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Yeah I cant imagine why FEMA would want any input from the Red Cross.
That makes sense, but placing george soros (convicted felon and close advisor to the White House) on that list is more of what darbs (and myself) are thinking about.
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FEMA should get info from the Red Cross...

...I have no problem with FEMA and the Red Cross exchanging strategies for helping the victims of a tragedy, that is a no brainer as the Red Cross has their stuff wired tight in that area.

I do however have a problem with the George Soros of the world having access to private corporations personnel files
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and exchanging info on employees regarding say, political opinions or after hours personal activities (the stuff that got Petraeus in the jack pot [the cheating on his wife part is for another thread])…

I for sure could care less if they know I'm a right leaning, bible carrying, gun owning patriot but that is my business. I have, out of necessity had to contact my wife via her work email address and work phone thru text messages and sometimes not in necessity. The last thing I need is for some "nazi-like" over-zealous supervisor sharing my personal business with a possible future employer.

Does that mean I should stop the idiotic facebook postings regarding my personal business, maybe.
But IIRC I (WE) gave 3 years (or more) of my (our) life and have earned the right to say what I/we wish, post pictures of my celebration of the Second Amendment and etc.
At least that is how I interpret the highlighted portion of the EO I posted... And I don't like it.


**Yeah, I know I should dump the FB, but my deep desire to piss off my former liberal HS classmates and their liberal friends along with seeing BHO out of office quickly overrides the little red light flashing in the corner of my eye that says, "don't do it." (Which would explain why I am the one drawing fire away from you guys and not wearing a “long tab”. Every man has to know his role I guess…)


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Does this Executive Order bring us another step closer to marshall law?
http://http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...-partnership-c

For starters, I was under the impression most LE agencies shared info?

I found Sec 3 Para 5 interesting;



Why in the world would the DHS need to know what is going on in the hallways/cubicles of corperations?
That is how the SPLC makes inroads into DHS policy making.
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